Concotyke - whats your view on the pay of Lawyers and Bankers then?

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  1. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    If you think teachers are overpaid for the work they do I'd love to see how you think those in the legal and financial professions (look it up) compare
     
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    Conkotyke Active Member

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    striking too? nt
     
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    Thats a well reasoned argument

    However I strongly suspect that if you cut the pay of the legal profession to only double what Teachers earn there might be some action taken.

    If I've got this right your argument is teachers shouldnt strike because they are vastly overpaid for the work they do - yet if they had similar pay to the legal and financial sectors (all the members of which owe their education to err Teachers) they most definitely would not be striking
     
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    Conkotyke Active Member

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    RE: Thats a well reasoned argument

    the comparison is wholly unappropriate on various levels.
     
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    The difference is...

    most teachers are paid by the government, lawyers etc. are not. Or so I'm led to believe...
     
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    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Really

    brilliant logic so good I cant follow it

    Can you explain why in a way that someone like me can understand
     
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    Conkotyke Active Member

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    RE: The difference is...

    that is one reason why its not a good comparison to make.
     
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    Who pays for prosecution lawyers then?

    And defence lawyers in criminal cases when the defendant can't afford to pay themselves?
     
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    Slightly wide of the mark...

    It's not like every case they take on is paid for by the Government is it? They have a going rate, which they charge clients regardless of whether they pay it themselves or through legal aid.
     
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    can you think of some of your own

    I dont see why that argument works anyway
     
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    Conkotyke Active Member

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    RE: Who pays for prosecution lawyers then?

    Community Legal Service Funding. Solicitors cannot make a very good living from that. It has been cut back severely.
     
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    So the financial sector

    Northern Rock is now nationalised in all but name

    Are the wages of the financial consultants going to be slashed ?
     
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    Have they slashed teachers' wages?

    Serious point...
     
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    I'm for;

    paying teachers more

    scrapping the national curriculum

    scrapping OFSTED and bringing in on the the spot checks

    scrapping the wasting of money on new PFI buildings
     
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    Conkotyke Active Member

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    RE: Have they slashed teachers' wages?

    have they heck. This pay rise might mean a real terms cut of 0.8% or something, hardly a slash.
     
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    I wouldn't bother arguing this point with Conko. Read all his posts on the subject - his opinion changes depending on who he is replying to! He swings between teachers getting far too much in one reply and not getting anywhere near enough in the next! Like many has had a bad experience at school and now blames all teachers for his own failings!
     
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    Of course they havent

    because with the exception of the (better paid) private schools the majority of the teachers are employed by the government who set the levels in the first place.

    The original point I was trying to make was that Teachers are not vastly overpaid as Concotyke was asserting and if he wanted to see an example of what that meant he should look at the financial and legal sector.

    Your argument of them being paid by the government shouldnt really carry much weight - if we want to educate todays children to the level that is needed to help Britian maintain its world standing we should pay an attractive salary to ensure that the good students seriously consider teaching .

    Consider a 21 year old graduate with a large debt to the govenment due to the student loans scheme who has to decide whether to go into teaching (or Nursing as another example) where the salary gives no hope of buying a house in the forseable future, or move into legal or finance where the money on offer is much much higher - where are the better students going to go?

    That said money isnt really a main issue - its the loss of job satisfaction due to the increasing demands of government and the lack of discipline about which teachers are poweless which are much bigger problems

    I dont think striking is the answer but Concotyke's position is way over the top
     
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    Speachless

    where did that come from - I can almost agree with that
     
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    As much as I agree with that...

    The government can't exactly cap the pay of those in the finance/legal sector, nor can they match what they are paid, it just isn't feasible. The only way they could do this is through charging parents for sending their kids to school, and I can't see that happening (hopefully).

    Most legal and finance personnel are on competitive salaries which is the reason why they command higher pay. How would you do this with teachers? Pay them according to the grades their students attain?

    The reason most people I know have studied finance or law is because they wanted to and not because of the money on offer. That's why some choose to do non-subjects at Uni - because they want to. I did both accounts and law at college, with, on average, those in the legal profession being paid more. I attained good grades in both (were the exams easy?- let's not start that one, too), but chose to do Accounts and Financial Management at Uni, because I wanted to do this more, not because I wanted more money. Obviously I will (hopefully) end up well paid, but the thought of being a teacher, or doing anything other than accounts or law (maybe computing-I had a go at that, too) never crossed my mind.

    My point is would you rather want people teaching your kids who are just doing so for the money, or the ones who actually want to be teachers? I know obviously you can't expect top-end intellectuals to be teachers on such low wages, but there has to be a compromise.
     
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    I never asserted teachers are vastly overpaid!

    In fact I believe good teachers should be paid more. What I was saying is that there are too many teachers who are in the job as a soft option shirk their job responsibilities and moan and want to strike over pay.
     
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