Debate between the loose change conspiracy theorists and the popular mechanics anti-conspiracists.

From US TV last night:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-901683049872134071

The quickest and easiest 'debunking' however, would be if they released the numerous pentagon gas station/hotel CCTV footage which was confiscated by the FBI.  That would settle a large part of the argument and stop the conspiracists in their tracks.

 

Someone please tell me this: Trade Centre 5 that was 'pulled'

under which the most damning evidence was burried, how do you 'pull' a building without having primed it with explosives?

 

The most damning evidence!

Aye - if you say so!

 

RE: Debate between the loose change conspiracy theorists and the popular mechanics anti-conspiracist

Why should "they" pander to the conspiracy theorists?
No matter what was put out into the public domain the conspiracy theorists wouldn't accept it or believe it anyway - the footage would "be doctored", there'd be talk of how long it took to release it etc It's the nature of the conspiracy theorists - they aren't taken seriously so why give them any credence in pandering to them?
As I've said before - it's impossible to argue with a conspiracy theory because you are just part of the conspiracy if you do.

 

Flying a jumbo jet with little experience

into 2 particular buildings, requires an extraordinary amount of luck. or a homing beacon.

 

He he

Yeah, why pander to the conspiracists by releasing footage showing a plane hitting the pentagon.  Why show the evidence to the fruitcakes.  Brilliant.

 

Nothing to do with conspiracy but a good read.

http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy-americanpower/american_hearts_3890.jsp

 

RE: Flying a jumbo jet with little experience

Yes, if you say so

 

You've been to NY

and will have walked around Wall St and the vicinity at a guess, and seen the scale of what happened, and having read the official explanation, do you honestly still think that a building over 500 meters away just fell down due to the heat? honestly, do you believe that? anyone that knows me will vouch, Im the least conspiratorial person you could meet. but this is jusst too incredulous for even me to swallow.

 

So

Assuming there is additional footage that hasn't been released.

1. Release it now and it's all part of the conspiracy as I said, the theorists would just say why has it taken so long it must have been doctored etc….they wouldn't except it anyway.
2. The Pentagon is one of the most secure, top secret places in the country….ever thought that this footage they have might also reveal secrets about the security that they wouldn't want to release?

 

That's weaker than the conspiracy theorists

Release the footage of the plane hitting the pentagon.  End of.  Stop trying to complicate it.

 

That was WTC 7 wasn't it?

They argue that when they said they were going to 'pull' it they meant pull all emergancy workers out of the area rather than pull it down.</p>

The fact that it substained damage primarily to one side/corner leaving the over side undamaged yet fell vertically and with absolutly no delay between the damaged side and the side with no damage is just a coincidence.</p>

 

Assuming there is additional footage?

There is no assumption to be made. It is a fact that there is additional footage (ie more cameras in the area that were confiscated immediatly) that hasnt been released. It's not an assumption its a plain fact.

 

RE: You've been to NY

I've walked between those 2 towers.

I'm not an expert on building and the effects of fire. I do accept that the building weakened by the impact of the plane and subsequent fire which causes the top floors to collapse which, in turn, causes those underneath to collapse as the weight drops onto them. Buildings nearby would be substantially weakened by the vibration from that collase which would cause some also to collapse and other to be in such a state that they have to be demolished.

I'm sick and tired of the conspiracy theorists, I've been through this time and again. I've got a number of links at home of scientific evidence debuking the conspiracy theory but that doesn't count apparently, only the conspiracy websites count.

I'm not going over the same ground again…..watch the documentary that has been on Discovery about why the buildings collapsed.

 

Probably

all I can tell you is that having visited the place in Feb, and walked around the streets, the official version of events is pure fantasy. and knowing a little bit about construction techniques, buildings designed to withstand bomb blasts and plane crashes dont just fall down cos they got hot.

 

RE: Assuming there is additional footage?

No it's not fact, it's an assumption. You cannot say for certain there is more footage unless you see that footage.

Camera's were taken away?! Errrr….I wasn't aware that security cameras also contained the film.

I've said before though - It's virtually impossible to prove that something doesn't exist.

 

RE: You've been to NY

&quot;the building weakened by the impact of the plane and subsequent fire which causes the top floors to collapse which, in turn, causes those underneath to collapse as the weight drops onto them&quot;</p>

Surely that would have meant that the buildings fall would be slowed down even just slightly?</p>

They fell in under 10 seconds from start to finish. It would take 9.2 seconds (if i remember the figures correctly) to fall without obstruction from the top of the tower to the floor.</p>

ie, if I jumped off the top of the tower on that day as the tower astarted to fall then I would have hit the floor at the same time as the top of the tower which by your own admission had its fall hindered by hitting over 100 consecutive floors on its way down.</p>

 

I think this covers it

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y

 

Ok my pedantic. the film was taken away

Film which the US government admits it took away. </p>

I think that when the owners of the cameras that were filming in the area AND the government itself both say that film was taken away then we can safely say that film was taken away.</p>

 

RE: You've been to NY

Who knows how a building like that would collapse or in what time, it had never happened before! You can model such things but until it actually happens you never know.
I'm bloody fed up with having this argument time and again because the conspiracy theorists have it in their head and that’s that…..if you want to believe that then fine.