Did anyone see Swansea keepers 'tackle' v West Ham on Sunday?

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  1. Cun

    Cunning Stunt Well-Known Member

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    Well I did. It resulted in a straight red card. They've appealed it and failed, citing that Fabianski 'denied a goal scoring opportunity'............ whoever turned this down must be on glue!

    (1) the attacker clearly knocked the ball past the keeper with his hand/arm
    (2) the attacker clearly ran into the keeper
    (3) the keeper never deviated his position in order to 'block' the attacker
    (4) the attacker stayed on his feet (well done) and had a goal scoring opportunity but hit the post. So wasn't denied one.

    If this got knocked back then it makes you wonder wether it's worth appealing at all. But what puzzles me is I thought if you appealed and failed then you got a longer ban?!? He's only got 1 game.

    If someone could post a vid, see if you agree or not?!?!?
     
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    Agree with you - was a joke decision.

    Yellow at best for obstruction.
     
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    I'd argue it's not even a foul... he would have chested/won the ball if the West Ham player hadn't handballed it.
     
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    I forgot (5) a defender was tracking the attacker side by side and the opposite full back was tracking aswell
     
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    Lol, yes forgot the handball....
     
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    I haven't seen it but I'm led to believe that for a decision to be overturned, the referee needs to say he saw it wrong. So from the angle where he was, he thought the keeper did one thing when as a matter of fact he did something completely different. If the referee says 'at the time I thought the keeper was denying a goalscoring opportunity' it stands regardless of whether it is fair or not. It's at bull **** rule and the reason why something never gets overturned.

    I've probably explained it poorly but I'm sure you get the gist.

    As for extending the ban, I believe that only happens on football manager.
     
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    Surely on that basis then, he surely can't have seen the handball as no one would/could let that go. If he did, then that's ludicrous. If he didn't then that is the catalyst for the whole incident. That's the 'get out' clause surely to rescind the red card?!?

    Ps -never played a console but I'll take your word for it:)
     
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    No that can happen if an appeal is considered frivolous - I think in particular it gets used if someone appeals so the player is eligible for the next game whilst the appeal is considered but it was clearly an appeal that had no hope of sucess

    Regarding the actual overturning of red cards I think the only way it can be overturned is if its clear the player dived. you cant take the handball into consideration as the ref wasnt considering that at the time.

    Its a joke system - imagine if courts worked like that - a policeman says he saw you punch someone but cctv clearly shows that you didnt but you still get found guilty because had the cctv not been there you wouldnt have been able to use it
     
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    The whole thing was caused ( if you watch the clip properly)by Swansea defender Ashley Williams pushing Sakho. He then bundles into the keeper and it also causes the handball. Williams is the player who should have got at least a yellow card.
     
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