Didn't realise Ched was back in court today

dem blunts will be getting all excited again if he gets off.

 

Pardon the pun.

 

One rang radio sheffield at the time and said that they were reserving judgement until after the appeal. Until then he's innocent. So one guilty verdict was not enough, he needed 2 to be sure.

Sent from my I-Oven using the internets

 

It happened 1 mile from my house. His family r really nice. Everyone should read the full stats of the case. If he is guilty then he deserved it but in my opinion i dont think he is and ive read alot about the whole case

 

Well if you have proximity to it and like his family he can't have done anything wrong....

 

You're not the only one who thinks he's innocent. A lot of people a lot higher up in the world than me and you have the same opinion.

 

I don't see how his family being nice is relevant. Whether what he did was rape or not it's clear he's a lovely person.

 

I'm reserving judgement until the appeal is done and dusted. Did Evans behave like a misogynistic tool on that evening? Probably. Does that alone make him a rapist? Certainly not. Did he actually rape the girl in question? I have no idea. However, what I would say is that a lot of people are not being very objective about this whole thing, due to who the accused is, IMHO.

 

I think the main reason a lot of people believe he is a rapist is due to him being convicted and sent to prison for it.....

 

Because nobody was ever sent to jail for something they didn't do? I have no idea if he did or didnt do it btw. But playing for SUFC doesn't automatically make him guilty.

 

I see where you're coming from mate - but from what I understand, the appeal would only have been heard if there was reasonable doubt in the safety of the original conviction. Just to be clear, I have no agenda either way on Ched Evans, it's more the fact that in general I have a lot of faith in the mechanisms of our justice system in the UK, not only to provide a fair trial to everyone, but also the fact that if mistakes are made they can be rectified.

 

Are you saying we shouldn't regard people who have been convicted as guilty? I think it's perfectly fair. The presumption is innocent until proven guilty, then after conviction it's guilty until proven innocent.

 

I've read a lot about the case as well and I don't think you can be satisfied that he was guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Forget the fact that he's a Blunt.

 

I don't know whether he was guilty or not, none of us heard all the evidence. But my point is people are entitled to presume that he's guilty at this point as he was convicted.

To be honest I can see the argument for abandoning jury trials altogether - they are a noble idea in theory, but a sh1tshow in practice.

 

Oh I don't know. Lying to the hotel security to sneak into the room then doing a runner out the fire escape after his mate was so disgusted with what he had witnessed you do that he had to leave himself looks like the actions of a pretty guilty man to me.

And that's completely taking out of it who he is, they are the cold hard facts about what happened

 

Guilty of what though. Being somewhere he shouldn't be? Carrying on with someone he shouldn't be and scared of it coming out? Cheating on his girlfriend? The issue is whether she was consenting and I don't think that can be proved beyond reasonable doubt.

 

As I understand it, the question isn't whether she was consenting, as if you don't have the capacity to consent (e.g. through drink) then no matter what you say, it isn't consent. The issue is whether Evans held a reasonable belief that she had capacity to consent.

 

All of that doesn't explain why he escaped out of the fire exit (surely if he didn't want the security to know he was there he would have snuck in asnwell as out. It's a bit pointless going into a bank and demanding they put money in your account and then sneaking out the back door in case they find out who you are). And it doesn't explain why his friend was so disgusted that he left.

The only thing that explains those two actions is that something happened in that room that both men realised was not acceptable

 

She didnt know they were footballers until next day wen her and her mum went bsck to look for her purse.Akso the porter was seen listening at the door a bit weird. Her lawyers said she was nmy no comdition to agree and could no walk. Cctv shows her walimg into the hotel with other fella fine and dandy. After she was hounded out of rhyl ived away under a different name .