Difficult to criticise

When most of suspected the outcome before we even flew to Brazil. The squad on paper looked exciting going forward and in patches we were. But for a bit of misfortune and a bit of poor finishing we've looked threatening in both games. Defensively we looked as weak as we've been at any world cup in my lifetime and that proved to be the case.

As for tonight, I think we were a tad naive. Both with regards to cheating which they absolutely perfected and with regards to positional play and discipline. Lost to 11 cheats, an inept ref and a top class forward.

Don't blame Roy for having a go (amusing that 606 callers are now saying cole and terry should have gone... Whatever happened to get rid of the old guard) Don't blame Gerrard for a couple of mistakes. Certainly don't blame Rooney who was good tonight, kicked to death and a combined six inches away from a hattrick (we English love to hate our best players)

Of course we could have gone in and bored every fecker to death like in South Africa and still gone out. Cut them some slack, we'll be better at the next euros and there's enough in the improvement in style at least to remain positive.

 

Cheating? We were diving all over the f.cking place. Badly, admittedly...

 

quite easy to criticise...

we were *****... its that simple

 

Sturridge took a few dubious tumbles but every time we put a challenge in they were rolling around. The time wasting was absolutely painful though but the ref appeared unconcerned with that.

 

We're not out yet. Italy will win their 2 games. Still a chance for us.

 

Agreed, I said before the tournament started that I didn't think we'd get out of the group, doesn't make it any easier to take though.

 

It's simple. Our players, management and the FA don't understand how crap they really are but they are all willing to take the money that comes from the likes of us and whichever mugs are prepared to sponsor them ...

 

Pretty much agree with that. Disappointed we sat back after the equaliser tonight and didn't push more before they scored, and that Lambert wasn't thrown on against Italy and earlier tonight, but I've seen us play far worse and win. Suarez was the difference.

Certainly think there's some over reaction.

And you never know, as Poyet said, 'miracles do happen' *

*They won't, but if you need to be an eternal optimist to be a Barnsley fan

 

Difficult to criticise............FFS WHY ???................on the foooking contrary !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have the most highly paid bunch of footballers in the world........playing in OUR league which is the richest in the world


No; I didn't expect much either............but it still hurts like foooking hell when I see a performance like that

At the moment I'm feeling very ashamed to be English..........and thats something that really really is against the grain

 

Typical modern English performance. Too much pointless passing

 

Too slow passing. Needed much higher tempo. But I can guarantee a centre back pairing of Cahill and Jagielka would concede more goals if we'd had less of the ball.

 

See we are back to English players paid too much complaint. You know they're not paid by England don't you? They're paid by clubs, often by foreign managers who have no interest in the English national side and obviously think they are worth it. And are they comparatively higher paid than for instance the Spanish or French players? Where's the proof of that? I don't doubt the premier league has on average higher salaries but I'm not convinced our bunch of relatively average premier league players are higher paid than many of the other premier league stars on show in Brazil.

I'm hurting too by the way but being ashamed to be English after narrowly been beaten by a decent side is just soppy. Chin up lad.

 

Agree with some of that.

I certainly don't blame Rooney who I thought was our best player tonight. Some of the tackles they put in on him were horrendous. No idea how Uruguay ended up with 11 men still on the field. The ref was poor. But we cheated and dived every bit as much as they did, probably more so, and as such we can't blame a referee for getting it wrong when we're trying to con him.

I'd put very little blame on Roy apart from picking Gerrard. Gerrard did less than nothing in the previous game, he was a hindrance to us rather than any help. Tonight he was even worse. A shocking display. Not the header for their second, that was just a mistake, his overall play was terrible. It wasn't a couple of mistakes, it was a player so far past his best that he shouldn't be anywhere near the 22 never mind in the starting line-up of the best 11 in the country. He's done and then some.

Uruguay are not a good team, they're no bigger cheats than we are, they have a very good player, just the one, and we couldn't get anywhere near him.

It was Argentina V England from 86 all over again. Suarez was Maradonna and scored the two goals. Rooney was Lineker, the next best player on the field, who scored the tap in but missed the unmissable header at the far post. Unfortunately, we didn't have John Barnes to bring on this time. It almost worked in Mexico, I think it would have done tonight.

 

And mess I is going to sign for us tomorrow ...

 

Key words in there are.........'decent side'........do you think that I or anyone else would be upset if we had lost to a 'decent side'........because obviously we wouldn't

The reason I and others are upset is because we lost to a dismal p.iss poor side that will not win a game at the World Cup - only England

Uruguay didn't have any style,. show any quality football or cause any threat during the whole match. They were on the back foot for all of the match but still managed to beat England

 

Gerrard's had a desperately poor World Cup, but in fairness he has been excellent for Liverpool this season in a holding role and was one of our consistently better players through qualifying so I'm not sure Hodgson can be blamed for picking him . Plus, who was the alternative holding midfielder?

 

Or was it other players around him all season making him look half decent?????

 

To be fair most of those same players play for England. Except Suarez. Who was the difference.

On that note I thought Henderson has been our best player so far.

 

Do you need two? Henderson takes that roll and play him along side Lallana or Wishere. Instruct either of them to be a bit more cautious.

I don't really blame Roy, it's just one decision. But with how ineffective Gerrard was in the first game, I'm struggling to understand how he was picked for the second. I certainly can't understand how a younger, fitter Henderson who is having 10x more influence is sacrificed in both games while Gerrard stays on.

He was picked because of his name, he was picked on reputation. We really have got to stop doing that, particularly when he had such little influence on the world stage, even when he was at his very best.

 

I take it you haven't seen either of the games because Henderson has been noticeable by his inability to tackle, pas, read the game and in general fekin d do anything at all ...