Or at least our squad. Made up of academy or 'lower league' players: Experienced championship players: Nick Colgan, journeyman goalkeeper Colin Healy, made 8 sub appearances Leon Knight, journyman striker, played most of his career upto then in the championship David Lucas Ronnie Wallwork, played twice, before getting stabbed in a nightclub bust up. "Lower league tripe" Michael Coulson Martin Devaney, signed from Watford but had spent ALL of his playing career at league 2 Cheltenham Bobby Hassell, signed from league 2 Mansfield Paul Hayes, signed from league 2 winners S****horpe Brian Howard, player of the year, signed from league 1 Swindon Dwayne Mattis Grant McCann Michael McIndoe, signed from league 1 Donny, had played a handful of games for Derby in the championship Paul Reid, spent most of his career playing in the lower leagues with Preston, Carlisle and Northampton Marc Richards, his championship experience consisted of one appearance for Crewe, played for a host of lower league and even non league before signing for us. Tommy Wright, Had played the majority of his career in league 1, with a handful of sub appearances for Leicester being his only championship experience. Sam Togwell, signed from Palace where he'd played once, spent the majority of his career on loan to Port Vale. Academy Players Rob Atkinson Neil Austin Simon Heslop Antony Kay Luke Potter Dale Tonge Robbie Williams Nicky Wroe Premier league players Adam Eckersley, young fullback from Man Utd Ritchie Jones, Young midfielder loaned from Man Utd Vito Mannone, young goalkeeper loaned from Arsenal Danny Nardiello, signed from Man Utd where he'd played 3 times in the league cup, had also played 3 games for league 2 Swansea Kyel Reid, young midfielder from West Ham Lewin Nyatanga, loaned from premier league whipping boys Derby Unknown Gambles Istvan Ferenczi Peter Rajczi We did our job that season too.
In my opinion there is a vast difference between a player who has been promoted to the championship from the league below and therefore earned his chance by proving his ability and gaining promotion and one who has been plucked from a side in league two. I'm not writing anyone off but I think that a player who has earned promotion is on the up and that is a very different animal to one who was sat around in the lower leagues.
Good well thought out post.This is the way that we will always have to go but all the lower league ones may not work out. Pity everyone cannot appreciate this and get behind them.
So aplayer only deserves a chance in the championship if he plays for a team that get promoted. Playing your ****** of for a team and getting noticed by championship club means nothing?? All player not playing for a club likely to be promoted may as well give up then
That isn't what I mean. What I mean is that there is a difference between the two kinds of player. One has got momentum on his side and (in my opinion) is more likely to adapt to the step up in level while the other hasn't. I reckon there are 4 categories of lower league signings. 1. Players who gain promotion with their team and move up a league that way. 2. Players who are outstanding at lower league level and get noticed by higher league teams. 3. Relatively young players who don't really appear to show anything extraordinary but still get chosen by a higher league team and given a chance, usually due to budget constraints. 4. Older players who have proven that lower leagues is where they should be playing but are still signed by a higher league team because it's all they can afford. I'm not saying that category 1 is better than 2, merely that the situation is different. Our problem is that we seem to be trying to sign players from categories 3 and 4. Lower league players who we are only signing because due to our boards terrible 'efforts' at increasing the fan base and earning as much revenue as possible are all we can afford.
point taken, however you could argue that davies and perkins fall into category 2. Davies obviously for the goals and perkins possible due to being player of the year for numerous clubs. I think keith hill has done with the lower leagues this year though. last season we had a bit of quality in O'brien and Butterfield and he added drinkwater and Vaz T. he then brought in some grafters from the lower leagues. when that quality went in january we were fecked. year he need the quality to go with the grafters. and a decent cenre back
Exactly and in my opinion Keith's done a good job despite having his hands tied behind his back in terms of spending power so to speak.
Nope definatly first, I looked down the full squad list from that season. 2nd season was when we signed about 16 players all from different countries.
In my opinion he hasn't ,in any other season without a team going into Admin we would have been relegated.There are obvious reasons for a dip in form in the New year but it doesn't excuse the appalling run of results and where we ended up. Keith needs to buck his ideas up.
Aye, he needs to start playing the same 11 where possible and stop fookin around with players positions. We may get a result or two that way i reckon!