Dole Scroungers over the last decade

Is it me or are people on the dole now looked upon more as scroungers of the state due to the amount of job oppertunities available. I.e if you're on the dole and out of work long term it's cos you're too idle to get off your arse and find a job. I know a couple who neither have worked and he openly admits to be better off he's need a 28 k a year job. I reakon the goverenment could save a ortune by reducing unemployent and incapacity benefits to a basic level, also get rid of the other perks they can claim.




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The Thatcher Government created a dole culture where it became acceptable not to work and to exist by claiming benefits off the state. Now that there are jobs around there are still many families that are used to that way of life and unfortunately they bring their kids up to have little or no ambition to improve their lives.

sad but true.
whats the answer cut benefits and improve educational standards for kids ?

I dont know. it needs somebody brighter than me to work it out

 

The trouble is...

Thatcher encouraged a generation of voters to believe that ethics didn't matter - just look after yourself. The idea that survival of the fittest, and hostile competition breeds a society of stronger individuals sounds aggressive and bold, but in actual fact it encourages (and condones) any number of social evils such as 'why shouldn't I just take benefits? I'm better off' or even worse 'why shouldn't I commit crime to make money?'. Both of these attitudes are rationalised if you put the thatcher mindset on - they are, after all, looking after themselves in a free market and **** everyone else. Thatcher - as much as she was far from a traditional conservative Prime Minister - was much like every other tory PM, in so much as she was only interested in looking after the rich, wealthy and money motivated. The only change was that she was evil enough to try and seduce the working classes into believing that it was all that should matter to anyone (and for those who weren't seduced there was always the heavy handed abuse of force and the breach of human rights).

So now we have a generation of people who aren't ashamed to be on the dole and not trying to get off it.

Don't get me wrong. I believe in the welfare state, and there is nothing wrong with having to go on the dole and claim your benefits if times are tough. What is objectionable is the fact that a number of people are not bothered enough to fight to get off them, stand on their own two feet, and start paying some money back in.

 

RE: The trouble is...

I totally agree with you. What worries me is that the Tories are likely to get back into power at the next election. They may appear all soft and cuddly now but they are still the same party/people that devatated this area in the 1980s. They havent changed and I will never trust them or vote for them. On another thread folk are commenting on all the developments going up in the town centre. Do you think there will be that kind of investment in Barnsley if the Tories get in again ? Not a chance. We will be starved of cash like we were before and they wont give a damn. People wont think about that though when they go to vote

 

The government is not providing the money

its being funded by european money and/or private & instituational finance.

 

RE: The government is not providing the money

and Yorkshire Forward is contributing a mighty wedge which gets its funding from ....the goverment

 

European developement fund

not much comes from central government.

 

Benefit Fraud in UK = £4bn a year.

Tax Avoidance in the UK = £13bn a year. Enough apparently to increase OAP pensions by 20%.

A recent report says tax avoidance by large corporations in 11 countries = £80bn

And yes, I know, there's a difference between avoidance and fraud, but morally the effects of not paying your tax are far larger than benefit fraud.

 

Yet from the tax avoidnce I can claim that roughly £15,000,000 is owed from football clubs.

 

Which tells us what? That it's OK to scrounge off the dole cos the rich buggers are stealing even more grom our pockets?</p>

Two wrongs don't make a right.</p>

 

No difference Acky

both lots are scum who need sorting out IMHO

 

Unpaid labour......

Let the lazy ***** contribute a minumum of 3 hours per day to various tasks. They could also gain a reference from their experiences to help them get a job too. Apparently there's loads on a 'sickie' that need sorting out too. Interestingly enough; whenever we're driving home after a hard day's graft, it's always the 'unemployed' that are frequenting the pub.... Makes you wonder who the daft Barstewards are sometimes!

 

Of course not both are wrong.

My point is that it's always "dole scroungers" that are on the receiving end of all media, politician and public opinion, yet those living the high life whilst not giving back what they should get virtually no mention or criticism at all.