Don't watch the new Thatcher Film, read this instead

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/04/margaret-thatcher-state-funeral-protests

    A Thatcher state funeral would be bound to lead to protests
    The Tory prime minister wasn't a great leader. She was the most socially destructive British politician of our times

    Seumas Milne
    guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 4 January 2012 22.20 GMT

    It might seem an odd time to be trying it on, but a drive to rehabilitate Margaret Thatcher is now in full flow. A couple of years back, true believers were beside themselves at the collapse of their heroine's reputation. The Tory London mayor, Boris Johnson, complained that Thatcher's name had become a "boo-word", a "shorthand for selfishness and me-firstism". Her former PR guru Maurice Saatchi fretted that "her principles of capitalism are under question".

    In opposition, David Cameron tried to distance himself from her poisonous "nasty party" legacy. But just as he and George Osborne embark on even deeper cuts and more far-reaching privatisation of public services than Thatcher herself managed, Meryl Streep's The Iron Lady is about to come to the rescue of the 1980s prime minister's reputation.

    As the Hollywood actor's startling Thatcher recreation looks down from every other bus, commentators have insisted that the film is "not political". True, it doesn't explicitly take sides in the most conflagrationary decade in postwar British politics. It is made clear that Thatcher's policies were controversial and strongly opposed. But as director Phyllida Lloyd points out: "The whole story is told from her point of view."

    People are shown to be out to get her – but not quite why. We see the angry faces of protesters and striking miners from inside her car, not the devastated communities they come from. By focusing on her dementia, it invites sympathy for a human being struggling with the trials of old age. Remarkably, a woman who vehemently rejected feminism is celebrated as a feminist icon, and a politician who waged naked class war is portrayed battling against class prejudice.

    Lloyd herself is unashamed about the film's thrust: this is "the story of a great leader who is both tremendous and flawed". Naturally, some of Thatcher's supporters and family members have balked at the depiction of her illness.

    But her authorised biographer, the high Tory Charles Moore, has no doubts about the The Iron Lady's effective political message. The Oscar-bound movie is, he declares, a "most powerful piece of propaganda for conservatism". And for many people under 40, their view of Thatcher and what she represents will be formed by this film.

    Meanwhile, last week's release of 1981 cabinet papers has given another impetus to Thatcher revisionism. The revelation that she authorised a secret back-channel to the IRA during the hunger strikes and opposed Treasury attempts to deny Liverpool a paltry cash injection after the Toxteth riots has been hailed as evidence of the pragmatism of a leader known for unswerving implacability.

    But most shocking are the secret preparations now being made to give Thatcher a state funeral. In the 20th century only one former prime minister, Winston Churchill, was given such a ceremonial send-off. Churchill had his own share of political enemies, of course, from the south Wales valleys to India. But his role as war leader when Britain was threatened with Nazi invasion meant he was accepted as a national figure at his death. Thatcher, who cloaked herself in the political spoils of a vicious colonial war in the South Atlantic, has no such status, and is the most divisive British politician of our time.

    Gordon Brown absurdly floated a state funeral in a fruitless attempt to appease the Daily Mail. But the coalition would be even more foolish if it were to press ahead with what is currently planned. A state funeral for Thatcher would not be regarded as any kind of national occasion by millions of people, but as a partisan Conservative event and an affront to large parts of the country.

    Not only in former mining communities and industrial areas laid waste by her government, but across Britain Thatcher is still hated for the damage she inflicted – and for her political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown. Now protests are taking the form of satirical e-petitions for the funeral to be privatised: if it goes ahead, there are likely to be protests and demonstrations.

    This is a politician, after all, who never won the votes of more than a third of the electorate; destroyed communities; created mass unemployment; deindustrialised Britain; redistributed from poor to rich; and, by her deregulation of the City, laid the basis for the crisis that has engulfed us 25 years later.

    Thatcher was a prime minister who denounced Nelson Mandela as a terrorist, defended the Chilean fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet, ratcheted up the cold war, and unleashed militarised police on trade unionists and black communities alike. She was Britain's first woman prime minister, but her policies hit women hardest, like Cameron's today.

    A common British establishment view – and the implicit position of The Iron Lady – is that while Thatcher took harsh measures and "went too far", it was necessary medicine to restore the sick economy of the 1970s to healthy growth.

    It did nothing of the sort. Average growth in the Thatcherite 80s, at 2.4%, was exactly the same as in the sick 70s – and considerably lower than during the corporatist 60s. Her government's savage deflation destroyed a fifth of Britain's industrial base in two years, hollowed out manufacturing, and delivered a "productivity miracle" that never was, and we're living with the consequences today.

    What she did succeed in doing was to restore class privilege, boosting profitability while slashing employees' share of national income from 65% to 53% through her assault on unions. Britain faced a structural crisis in the 1970s, but there were multiple routes out of it. Thatcher imposed a neoliberal model now seen to have failed across the world.

    It's hardly surprising that some might want to put a benign gloss on Thatcher's record when another Tory-led government is forcing through Thatcher-like policies – and riots, mounting unemployment and swingeing benefits cuts echo her years in power. The rehabilitation isn't so much about then as now, which is one reason it can't go unchallenged. Thatcher wasn't a "great leader". She was the most socially destructive prime minister of modern times.
     
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    That just about sums up how I remember the Thatcher years

    The most worrying sentence is that about this film forming the opinions of those under the age of 40 - a dangerous film indeed.
     
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    Re: That just about sums up how I remember the Thatcher years

    I don't think it will affect the opinions of the under 40s. It won't affect mine. I think your opinion of her is formed and set in stone by your background - political and geographical.
     
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    Chillingly accurate and true.

     
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    Good point

    but anyone who is young enough not to have any real opinion may be given a false lead by this film.
     
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    Re: Good point

    Im an ex miner and i cant make my mind up as to weather i should go and see this film or not
     
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    Re: Good point

    I think it might upset you. I've not seen it and don't plan to do so but one review I read says the moners are portrayed, as it is from her point of view as mindless thugs. When everyone knows that was the Police.
     
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    Re: Good point

    Unlike the view thats been handed down by their parents - Reason why many pubescent kids still chant 'scabs' at the Nottingham fans. Many of which have never seen a pit.

    I'm 44 and I have my own views. My grandparents, uncle and father-in-law were miners. My dad went down for a week or so before contracting pleurisy which nearly killed him.

    I knew several miners that were arrested on picket lines. But then they travelled around the county and were far from being angels. Things had turned miners against the State (government / police), pretty similar to the rioting last year. And how many of us were shouting for water cannons and tear gas to be used against these law breakers?
     
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    It was nothing like the rioting last year

    The miners were fighting for a cause. They weren't just breaking in to shops and nicking stuff.
     
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    Re: Good point

    Nothing like the scum that rioted last year! They were "rioting" to obtain goods for nowt. Miners did what they had to do to try and save their jobs and communities.
     
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    Re: Good point

    I can remember police antagonizing strikers by waving bundles of money at them that they had earned by doing overtime on picket lines?
     
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    Re: It was nothing like the rioting last year

    Apparently you couldn't move down Royston Drift in 1984 for blokes wearing Nike Air Max with their NCB donkey jackets.
     
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    Re: It was nothing like the rioting last year

    Hadn't the strike been ruled as illegal and more police were needed as Mr Scargill was using flying pickets to intimidate other working miners and their families?

    Like the taxi driver killed in Wales, when a concrete block was dropped on his car cos he was transporting a miner who wanted to work.
     
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    Re: It was nothing like the rioting last year

    Illegal in who's eyes? The UDM?

    Shouldn't have been taking scabs to work. Have that.
     
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    No one is suggesting that every miner who went on the picket line was an angel

    But you've equated standing up for your job with looting which is just ballacks.
     
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    Re: It was nothing like the rioting last year

    Campaign paid for by a shady geezer, his name escapes me. I wonder what those miners would think today. They were used.
     
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    Re: It was nothing like the rioting last year

    Really, you think he deserved that for trying to earn a living?
     
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    Re: No one is suggesting that every miner who went on the picket line was an angel

    I wasn't comparing miners with looters, I was comparing the resentment people had against the police and government. Something that was suppose to have triggered the rioting last year.
     
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    Re: It was nothing like the rioting last year

    No. But I'm trying to enliven teh place a little. So, pretend I've just said "Yes".
     

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