EU......In or Out

Vote as you may

 

You should add the option of

"shake it all about".

In other words undecided...

 

Out

 

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What a load of **** take your propaganda somewhere else.

 

Looking at the results so far it looks like:
Out - 45%
In - 55%

But seeing that computers and message boards are a youngish persons pastime than hopefully the older end will swing the vote in favour of coming out.

The older end - being those generations that fought for democracy and remember a time when Britain was a good place to live even though we weren't attached to the un-democratic EU.

 

I think there are quite a few of us older ones on here mate, by the way I'm 60 and I'm voting IN.

 

Out

 

Voted remain but still undecided.

 

11 years as a member on here and you think it's full of young people. That lack of insight and judgment should inform how reliable your opinion of voting in or out is.

 

In... too much of a risk to the economy for not enough potential gain IMHO.

 

I have not contributed to all to these “in out” threads until now.
But do want to know - if the out lot are at all worried by the people supporting an out vote:
Farage, Johnson, Gove, Putin, Trump et al.
While the vast majority of the world's leading economists all support in. As do about 4 to 1 of our own MPs across all political parties.
Why on such a complex political question would you not go with the majority of people who actually spend their time trying to understand this complex web of interacting forces?
Let’s not pretend any of us really understand all the complexity here. When you go to the doctors or dentists etc do you trust their expert judgment or go with your own gut feeling and the view of a rather unpleasant gang of outers?

 

I'm not a natural fan of the EU but I quite like paid holidays and laws to protect me at work and the removal of our EU membership would remove the only guarantee I have about these things.

Also applying the Farage Principle find out his position and choose the opposite I'm in.

 

I'm out. Immigration from within the EU is the main swaying point for me and many others. I also believe that we can set up a free trade system within the EU by coming out like Norway and Iceland do plus it opens up so many alleyways to trade with other countries outside the EU whereas atm we are under EU trade legislation. I also like the face that our government will govern the country with no interference from somebody in Brussels. I want to vote for a party who has complete control over our country and the fact that we are also ploughing money into the EU to help the likes of Greece out passes me off no end. The final straw would be allowing Turkey into the EU and then you get the influx of Syrians entering illegally....possibly claiming asylum and then coming over to the UK. It could happen. Control our country....control our borders...look after our own......invest the money in the NHS. That's my thoughts

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So, essentially, those people it will affect the least!

 

...and to be honest a lot of this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

I don’t know if it is in part a generational thing but none of my friends are voting out. I was the only one who started out unsure. I guess in part it is because we’ve never known anything different, but we’ve also grown up with all the benefits the EU brings in terms of travel, connectivity and culture. In fact I don’t know many people who are voting out at all, certainly my parents and their friends all seem very pro-Europe. The only people who have said to me they are voting out are some wider family members and my father-in-law, and their reasons are immigration, or they mistakenly think the EU and ECHR are the same thing.

 

What you have to realise is that Cameron and the cronies HAVE to support being in the EU no matter what they believe in themselves. It would cause absolute uproar within the EU should he not support it and the public vote to remain. I believe secretly he wants us to come out. Why would he say last week that when he goes to these meetings for the EU that they are boring and pointless and nothing gets done. Why say that with a big referendum just around the corner?

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I've been following the Mike Ashley Sports Direct MP grilling thingy.

In my opinion it's not the laws that protect workers, regardless of whether they're our own (which most of our workers' protection laws are) or from the EU. The best protection for our workers is to not have a complete t**t as a boss. At Sports Direct, no laws can protect the staff, because they are ruled by fear of standing up for their rights. I'm sure they know what their rights are, but they don't speak out, they accept it because of fear.

If you're a t**t, you won't bother yourself with trivial issues like laws. You'll just continue being a t**t until someone gets hold of you and batters you.

 

How on earth do you get to that conclusion. Things like this should be decided via the ballot box where our people can have a say. Leave it to EU and it is out of our hands, if they decide to amend these directives then we are powerless to stop it. Should for instance a tory or labour government launch plans to stop these things then we have the opportunity to act as a democracy and remove the party in power. Far far more risk involved in remaining within the EU.. Remain are scaremongering about the economy, however they are not factoring in that the EU machine is likely to keep failing and then we have no other option but to stomach what is agreed in Brussels or Germany whichever way you look at it, we have more control out of the EU.