Flicker v The Don Part II

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  1. Gally

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    Flicker hits back at The Don in The Chron asking "Is Don trying to sop me working?' as well as some mention of legal action against him but he says "We all make mistakes and I forgive him"

    (Not sure I've seen anything defamatory the Don has said or written)

    Apparently the pair of them didn't speak towards the end of last season and Flitcroft wouldn't work at Oakwell while The Don was there.
     
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    Think i'll have to break the habit of a lifetime and buy the Chron. Need to have a read of all this, before commenting...
     
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    Until it moves to tabloid size, not broadsheet, I can't do with it.
     
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    Tablet size would be even better!
     
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    Well, I suppose this (The Don v FlickR) is more interesting than the football itself.
     
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    He certainly didn't say anything defamatory in my interview.

    They don't like each other. It seems most folk at BFC don't like each other (or at least didn't)
     
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    Since the start of his reign at the club, Don Rowing has administered a policy that has resulted in the sacking of every manager except Robins, who fell on his sword because of that policy. Whether that policy was of Don's design or that of the owner can only be guessed at, but the fact that he was responsible for administering the same policy in his previous employment leads me to the conclusion that, even if he was not responsible for the policy, he was certainly happy to support and administer it. He knew his continued employment depended on that policy continuing. If Flitcroft was responsible for Don's reign coming to an end, I can understand some bitterness, even allowing for Don's age. But the policy had failed and it was Don's time to go.

    Of course, when results are poor, fans turn their guns on the manager. He picks the team and his is the public face of the football club. In my opinion, the team manager is no more to blame than the off field management team who set the policy and who have been responsible for the widening gulf between the town and its football team. Who are also responsible for their inability to generate other income streams to support the team budget, for poor sponsorship deals and for a lack of creative ideas generally. They are also responsible for the poor performance of the academy which has become a drain on resources rather than the income generator, which it was set up to become. The administrators and the team management should be working together to improve the first team. Instead, we have a system that, from the outside, seems to discourage that unity. Unfortunately, Don Rowing's comments since he left have illustrated this lack of unity between the clubs two management systems. Whilst it was past time for Don to go, the management system continues. For me, the next time a manager is sacked, Ben Mansford should accept his part in that failure, and he too should go. This would also focus the mind for the next team manager appointment.

    Barnsley Football Club made the decision not to strengthen the team by investing in better players when it was promoted back to the second tier 7 years ago. Since that decision was taken, every year has been a struggle against the threat of relegation and the fans have gradually drifted away. Reason suggests that the struggle will eventually end in a return to the lower division. Personally, I do not fear that. I do not look forward to it either, but I do think that I, and many other fans are just fed up with the constant pressure on results which comes from consistently trying to compete in this division with one of the lowest budgets. A return to the lower league would also allow the younger players to make the jump from the academy more easily, because the standard in the lower division is lower. The pressure for the right result, which is constant upon the manager because of the team's struggles will also be less and will mean that he will be more disposed to risking them.

    Whatever happens in May, I will be there next season in my usual seat.
     
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    seems to me Don got it right this time Flicker wasn`t up to it,this was always going to happen, when he brought that player in on lone from Man Utd last season at Bristol was a total balls up,everything was going great ticking over nicely and he had to change it,how the hell we stopped up I`ll never know,an act of God if ever there was one
     
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    I think the highlight of that interview for me is, "The Barnsley journey has taught me that I love developing kids". Now, apart from the obvious, which kids has he developed? From where i'm sitting, every one of our promising youth players has gone backwards: Jennings, Digby, Rose, Patterson, Reuben, Cofie etc...

    I don't believe Don said anything wrong, other than give his opinion on questions he was asked. He could have been much harsher, and still been right.

    In summary, it feels to me like he hasn't learned very much at all from his failings this season, and still very much believes in his own hype.

    Captain Hindsight my ar$e
     
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    It was a policy that kept us in the Championship throughout his reign. Given the finances the club have had available, in that time, I'd say he was pretty successful. There may have been lack of resources in the back office to grow the commercial side of the business but that was a decision taken by the owner ie put as much money as possible into the team.

    In reality, the ultimate decision to sack a manager was (and is) down to Patrick. Don has said he tried to get rid of Hill on a couple of occasions before he was finally given the boot.

    What's the alternative? If we haven't got the money, we haven't got the money!
     
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    Seems that way doesn't it. It seems he was also right that giving in to Flicker with all this other expenditure to make Barnsley "a championship team" (better Bus, better offices, better hotels etc) was a complete waste of money.

    One reason Flicker didn't like Don is that he said no to him!
     
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    You can't spend money you don't have well you can but look where it gets you Portsmouth. Can't say I was a massive fan of the Don more on the PR side than anything but he kept us solvent while releasing enough funds to keep us up and wanting to get rid of Hill shows a shrewd judge of character. Not sure what Flitcroft is moaning about he was asked his opinion and gave it.
     
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    The owner has allowed this to happen and has failed to move the club forward.
     
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    He's saved us from going out of existence and kept us in the championship though. We'd be in a much worse place without him IMHO
     
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    I'm absolutely convinced we wouldn't have a club. We were mortgaged to the Sterling Consortium at an interest rate that would scare the hell out of most of us. The debt was spiralling out of control. No one else was going to come along, because once that loan was in place it made no financial sense to buy us. It was a case of throwing a load of money in a black hole. Our only hope was a very rich Barnsley fan, and luckily we got one.

    I think you know Gally that Patrick Cryne isn't my favourite person in the world, and you know why, but I can't see how we could have gone on trading without Patrick stepping in. We would have shut.

    Maybe we haven't moved on like many of us hoped, but Championship football, even at the bottom end of the table, is a hell of a lot better than no club at all.
     
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    Yes and that is laudable but he has failed to move the club forward for a multitude of reasons not least the utter refusal to open up the ownership structure to anyone else.

    Furthermore we are now looking for the ninth manager of his tenure, which is a sad indictment on his disjointed reign.
     
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    If no one else has the money how is he supposed to do that?
     
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    It appears that way from the outside. Don also said that Flitcroft thought he was a "Dinosaur" - probably an accusation that has been levelled at him on this board too.

    Not sure where Flitcroft is coming from with his "Captain Hindsight" quotations. The criticisms of both Hill and Flitcroft were NOT made with the benefit of hindsight. For example, operating with such a large squad of players (and consequently not being able to choose a best eleven) is just p*ss poor management.


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