For anyone who voted conservatives at the last election

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  1. ley

    leythtyke Well-Known Member

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    Absolute nonsense. And completely underestimates the modern day right wing dictatorship that the current tory mob are aiming for.
     
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    Corbyn didn’t believe in Anti-semtism, he was accused of it, but then everyone who criticises the Israeli govt is accused of that. I don’t sing the National Anthem, it’s embarrassing and out of date at best, the tune is awful, it isn’t inclusive of society, He didn’t lose the election because he believed in Brexit either. I liked his policies, I like that he wanted more equality, unfortunately I don’t think he had what it takes to be a leader of a Political Party.
     
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    I'd be standing well back now and just let the cabinet and certain back benchers defend the indefensible. This resonates in a way that the Tories just don't understand, so every move to defend Johnson will be a plague on their houses. It also gives opposition parties ammunition to target these supporters at the next GE.

    Let the tories tear themselves apart and just stand on the sidelines and highlight the stuff that can't be getting done because of the tory infighting or failing to do the decent thing.

    A no confidence vote from labour will be lost by a mile and could look opportunistic. Better to look like they have the moral high ground and want to focus on the issues of the country.
     
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    pompey_red Well-Known Member

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    Exactly this. The best chance Labour has is to let Johnson politically torture himself and therefore his party very slowly. My only worry he’s where do the red wall voters who defected go next…I don’t think it’s a done deal they all return to Labour so easily as they left
     
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    Happy to accept people made decisions they now regret. Ultimately it's a good outcome. Not happy to accept though, if those same people forget about all that, 3 months before the next GE, when the Tory media machine starts up again.
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Would take this at the next GE. Although I take YouGov with a pinch of salt most of the time.

     
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    Red Rob Well-Known Member

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    Agree to an extent, but part of being a leader of a political party is singing the anthem. I'm Irish, so by no means a fan of God Save the Queen, but if you don't sing it you are creating negative press and losing would be voters.

    I admire Corbyn's principles, but his downfall was not understanding when to compromise somewhat on those principles and just play the game of politics. A leader needs to try and be all things to all people, whereas Jeremy was very linear in what he offered and if you didn't like it he wasn't going to pander to you or compromise.
     
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    t'owd man Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts exactly, card in bin dd stopped, I threw out of the party under Bliar when I finally realised whar a prat he was, rejoined to vote for Corbyn, last local elections was the first time I hadn't voted for Labour, went for TUSC. All the labour front bench would slip seamlessly onto the tory benches. Very sad times.
     
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    I feel that was kind of a reply to my post, apologies if not.

    Just wanted to say I didn’t mention Corbyn in my post at all. I just said in 2019 it was, in my opinion, an excellent Labour manifesto, exactly the type of thing a ‘democratic socialist’ party should be putting out.

    I won’t not vote Labour because they got rid of Corbyn, it’s actually because of who they replaced him with. I simply don’t understand this rhetoric of “well, at least he’s not a Tory”. If that’s the best thing anyone can say about him then what’s the point?

    Nobody would like to see the racist, apartheid supporting, terrorist enabling, lying, disabled undermining, rinse the poor, look after the fat cat Tory’s get the boot more than me. But just blindly voting for EXACTLY THE SAME but with a different colour rosette just seems bonkers to me.

    It’s probably a reflection of our voting system, which is rubbish. But I’m not going to take stick for not voting for a party which doesn’t represent me in any way whatsoever, just because it might give another party which doesn’t represent me in any way whatsoever, a better chance of winning next time.
     
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  10. Dan

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    The one thing I'd pick up here is the notion that this version of Labour is "exactly the same" as the incumbent tory party. It really isn't anything close to it. This sitting tory party isn't anything like any other tory party that's been in government and is very much of itself and a factional populist one being pushed closer to a far right stance.

    I can understand you may think its not as far left as you would ideally prefer it to be and everyone has their right to vote and use it however they see fit. I just don't think it's helpful to tie together parties that are fundamentally different, particularly at a stage where Labour haven't shared policy detail or priorities that would be considered in a manifesto.
     
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    If you think starmer’s Labour is EXACTLY THE SAME as Johnson’s rabid far right loonies, then I’m afraid if they stay in at the next election, you are part of the problem.

    Is the current Labour leader a hardline socialist like Corbyn? No. But then he’d never be elected if he was.

    Is he further right than Corbyn? Yes, see above.

    He isn’t right wing though in my view - centre left if anything, others may differ in their view - but he’s absolutely nowhere near the ridiculousness, almost fascism, of Johnson’s Conservative government.

    In my eyes you are saying you won’t vote for his party as they aren’t left enough - whilst acknowledging that leaves the current mob unopposed. Completely counter-productive to me. Each to their own but the country gets the government it deserves. I’d ask you to consider whether this might be a nose and face situation when you are next asked to put an x on your ballot.
     
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    It wasn’t :)
    If I’d meant it as a reply I would’ve quoted.

    But… I’ll respond to your comparison of Starmer and Johnson as being the same, just to say that it’s ridiculous.

    Their similarities begin and end at the fact they’re both straight white middle aged men.

    If you can’t see the difference between the 2 front benches in the HoC, I’d have to ask where you’re looking.
     
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    But one of them would have difficulty lying in bed straight!
     
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    Some very fair points DWLC. On reflection ‘exactly the same’ is a stretch.

    You’re quite right of course, there’s no policy or manifesto to judge them on. However, it’s clear to me they are eyeing up the ‘Flag-shagging Racist Moron’ vote that came out for the Tory’s in 2019. Which makes me very uncomfortable.
     
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    Username checks out.
     
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    I can see why you think it would be a nose and face situation.

    It’s just that I take what Starmer is doing to ‘my party’ personally. Because I voted for him. I voted for him on the basis of his 10 pledges, and as mentioned he’s since gone back on, or refused to commit to every single one of them.

    Im afraid I can’t get over that. There are no circumstances I can vote for a Party I simply can’t trust anymore. Maybe people don’t “get it”, but politically I’ve never felt more let down.
     
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    Fair do’s Donny. See my previous replies which explain why I am where I am with Labour. I’m afraid it makes anything they say in the HOC irrelevant in my eyes, as I simply don’t believe a single thing any of the Shadow Cabinet say.

    And When you have people like Phillips and Streeting in prominent positions, who literally sabotaged the party in General Elections, twice, I’m afraid I’m done with them.
     
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    If they want to get in power, or at least win some seats back, we’ve sadly got a significant number of those types of voters and not to try and sway some would hurt Labour.

    It’s ridiculous, but if a few flags here and there gives parties a chance to cleanse this god awful mob, I don’t have an issue with it.

    It would be a wonderful thing if such people didn’t exist at all, let alone do so in significant numbers. But we are where we are.
     
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    As an aside, the Tories are still on C.28% of the vote in current polling intentions. I find this absolutely gobsmacking. In spite of the lies, corruption, incompetence and lack of vision there are still 28% who would happily vote for the ruling party. Just shows how embedded 'conservatism' is. Quite worrying from my perspective as a left wing bloke.
     
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    Won't be seen in public for a week apparently. Must have installed some heating in that fridge....
     

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