Foreign Imports or Local Stock?

Over the last few months it seems Davey has made the decision - probably on financial grounds- that BFC are more likely to be succesful with overseas players (Ferenczi, Racjzi etc) at the expense of local born and bred talent such as Austin, Kay and Wroe. Personally, I feel this is an high risk stratergy given the stronger likelIhood that a local player will 'die for the cause' rather than some Jonny Foreigner - who may be more skilful - but has no affinity either with the club or England as a country. Given we are more likley to be at the bottonm rather than the top then surely fighting qualities outweight sblime but temperemental overseas players'?
Which statergy is most likely to see BFC prosper in the future?

 

I think Ferenczi proved his fighting qualitys last season.

 

Quite right

When Ferenczi (and Rajczi to a lesser extent) signed for us it was a wake-up call to the rest of the squad, and for me a significant factor in getting Nardiello to perform in the run-in. if it hadn't been for 'some Johnny Foreigner' we'd have gone down.

Unfortunately, nationality isn't a predictor for work ethic, and to simplify the argument to that is plain stupid. Give me 11 foreigners that work as hard as Ferenczi and I'm happy to have 11 foreigners on the field.

 

Getting players that can do the business for us, don't care where they've come from

 

If they can play football and work hard then I dont care where they are from (obviously I would rather not sign any dee-dahs).

 

wooooahh..........I say 'Jonny Foreigner' as a term of endearment so let's not turn this into a different argument altogether.

We can keep citing Ferenczi's work ethic until we are blue in the face - and I agree he and Rajczi (to a lesser extent) were the catalyst that saved our season - but for every Ferenczi we have had we have also had some lazy ineffective buggers from overseas who haven't really settled into Barnsley culture/ English life in general, or the pace and passion of English Football. Hristov, Krizan, Corbo and Tinkler immediately spring to mind. Back to the original point which is really who is most likely to fight for the cause or keeping us in this division and stabilising further? Someone with no natural connection to the club or country or some local boys who have grown up with the club, know what the club and fans are all about? I know who my money would be on.........................unless of course we are fooling ourselves that we wont be struggling next season and a couple more Hungarians will see us playing like Brazil again and challenging for promotion...............

 

agree

 

or perhaps

fooling ouselves that some of our homegrown talent is better than it actually is.

I dont give a monkeys from whence we get players as long as they do the business on the pitch.

 

local boys like Ozzie and Kay did a good job trying to get us relegated

Wroe and Tonge not good enough. Dunt matter if they had great fighting qualities, they weren't good enough. I'd battle like a Barsteward if i played for us but i'm not good enough and that's fact.

of course we need fighting qualities but you also need a bit of quality too.

Ferenczi and Rajzci are better than Jarman and Joynes so no contest

 

These are the same local lads who turned in gutless performances

Against Sheffield Wednesday in December 2006 and unprofessional performances against Doncaster Rovers in September 2005 ?

 

stop it now please,,,, please stop it now

a post that makes sense and is based on fact????? are you on the right site?

 

Sorry buddy

Just got in from a particularly tough shift at work , so I thought I'd clamber up on my soap box .

 

RE: local boys like Ozzie and Kay did a good job trying to get us relegated

Not totally convinced by Rajzci myself, it must be said that it was not just those you highlighted that played for us last season. I think that Kay mis a better defender than Reid, but that is my opinion and it doesnt carry any wieght with the management of the team. If Reid is going to play all the matches next season then we have to sign a bloody good player to be alongside him.

 

RE: or perhaps

Talent's one thing - hunger and guts are another. The likes of Kay and Morgan would run through brick walls for the club. The likes of Hristov and Corbo wouldn't break sweat - but undoubtedly had greater technical ability than Kay and Morgs. My point being however that Ferenczi - IMHO - is something of an exception to the rule. Even other more succesful BFC overseas players such as Gorre and Marcelle (both looked as though they might break in half given a decent strong tackle) are ones I wouldn't have fancied to show the true Dunkirk spirit exhibited by the team in general - and Kay and Austin in particular - in those crucial back to back wins v Birmingham, Southend and Palace that essentially kept us up.

Generally, Forgeign players are good when they are exceptionally talented, physically strong and surrounded by a good mix of homegrown talent and commitment. Realistically, are we going to able to find and afford such talent? I just hope Davey restricts it to say 3 or 4 as another problem then is trying to create a team spirit amongst a diverse range of cultures...............just read the book about Lars Leese and apparently there was something of an Overseas Domestic player split at Oakwell that dented the atmosphere in the dressing room..............you've been warned!

 

RE: These are the same local lads who turned in gutless performances

'Against Sheffield Wednesday in December 2006'

The whole team were pants not just the local players - and had obviously just found out that Davey had been made manager after there was a strong feeling a more experienced manager was going to get the job. Me thinks a little dressing room discontent maybe?


'and unprofessional performances against Doncaster Rovers in September 2005 ?'

................now Im with you- you are of course referring to the local boy from Sheffield, Mr Rennie?
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Lars Leese book

Hendry hated foreigners and made no secret of it.

Think you are being very harsh indeed on Hristov BTW.

Kay and Austin amongst other homegrown players have been present in as many gutless performances as stirling ones.

 

RE: Lars Leese book

...personally not counted gutless v non gutless performances - but whilst composure and skill have sadly been lacking with AK and NA at times, I find it hard to believe anyone could question their commitment. They have both had some error strewed nightmares in a few games over the years but I can never ever remember either shirking a challenge - which is how I view commitment ie as opposed to how many goals they scored, nice passes they made etc etc.

I judge Hristov on 2 levels.

Skillwise - he didn't look out of place at times in the Prem and was better than average in the Championship.

Commitment - on a par with Mike Sheron regardless of which division Georgi played in.

 

Austin at fault for goal no. 1

Williams at fault for goal no.2 , Kay at fault for goal no.3 . Local lads playing against their biggest local rivals , yet their 'performances' were absolutely abysmal . No pride , no passion .
Against Doncaster Rovers , they were more focused on nailing a talentless winger than concentrating on helping the team win three points . Not only did that contribute to losing a local derby yet again , they were both suspended for a number of games afterwards . Rennie had a poor game , but that did not excuse the unprofessional attitude by both Austin and Kay .

 

Then those same players recovered from what had happened, won promotion, and left Doncaster to play in the alehouse league.

 

RE: Austin at fault for goal no. 1

...........personally think the Austin red card was very harsh............ but it gave Uriah the chance for some free publicity in the Sunday papers. Kay's challenge on the other hand was rash and he deserved to go. It was however born of frustration at losing once again to those big club wannabee local rivals of ours. Frustration that only a true commited local born lad can fully appreciate.