Genaral question re law and order

Bearing in mind the lawless society we appear to be in with anti social behaviour, carrying of weapon, drugs, murders and gang culture.

Would anyone be prepared to vote for a government that was strong on criminals and took away the cushy element of prison and made it a place that would discourage future visits including hard labour. That made it easier to punish anti social behaviour and youth crime and made them get their hands dirty 8 hours a day paying society back rather than slap a bit of paper on them that frankly they are going to rush home and use as loo paper.

As for gun and knife crime or the carrying of such things would you back really long sentances just for carrying said items.

Just trying to get a feel for how joe public feels

Or do you have any other solutions for the above crimes

BT

 

That seems fair enough to me, but what abouit the rest of their policies?

I mean its OK to be hard on Law and Order, but if you have crappy fiscal policiesetc, then you are on a no-goer.

 

RE: That seems fair enough to me, but what abouit the rest of their policies?

Agreed, so if they had good monetry policies and were hard on scumbags would you vote for them

BT

 

Yes

We've become a (Western) world that is too PC. This in itslef has led to crims having more rights than the victims, amongst many other problems that stem from it.

 

Gang crime,knife culture,drugs,alcohol abuse .........never happened 30 years ago !!!!

 

Its true. Jack "The Hat" Macvitie actually was stabbed by a Curly Wurly.

 

Society is lawless? Really?

*looks outside window*

Seems ok at my end.

Hard labour camps, Soviets were big fans of those.

 

Didnt mean set up Gulags

I meant make it bloody uncomfatable in nick and make sentances hurt rather than wrap em up in cotton wool give em a horlics and wipe their brows.

Why is it wrong to worry about the victims and to want the villans to have a bit of a rough time.

BT

 

If I recall Jack the hat was done

By a gang member who then went on to spend the rest of his life in nick (Mr Kray)

BT

 

Mr Kray didnt...

...get sentanced to as much time in Chokey as the Cohen Brothers have just done for shooting that taxi driver. They just got life sentances with minimum terms of 37 years each.

I agree prison is probably too easy though.

 

Wasnt Queen Victoria an Opium addict?

Drugs, knives and crime have always been about. I think I would prefer the 'lawlessness' of today to the crime free paradise of Georgian London

 

surely you have to rehabilitate rather than give long sentences?

only kidding

as someone else said, depends on their other policies such as how would they fund the upkeep and cost of the extra prisons

 

RE: Didnt mean set up Gulags

I'd have thought that the ideal result for people going into prison should be for them to come out better people. Prison shouldn't make the prisoners think that they are better off inside than out, nor should it be seen as a reward for bad behaviour - but it should be about educating them and giving them the opportunities to change their lives around.

This doesn't mean that I agree with satellite tv and the rest, but nor does it mean they should be locked away and only let out to break up stones with a pick axe.

It's not wrong to worry about the victims. How 'rough a time' do you want to give them?

Personally speaking i'd much rather someone who mugged or assaulted me change their life around and do something positive with it than be happy with seeing them having 'a rough time' in prison, because the chances are they will not come out any different. Many jails around the world are trulys but history shows this doesn't work.

If this did work we'd have solved this problem a long time ago.

 

Awarding them with ASBOs doesn't seem to be nipping bad behaviour in the bud but I don't think whisking them straight off to crime academies is the answer and there's no evidence that rough treatment in jails acts as any kind of deterrent at all.

If it's radical solutions we're looking for I wonder what the long-term real difference in costs would be between current methods of dealing with young offenders and compulsory national service.

 

I do think you need radical solutions, and in its own way national service might give them a kick up the backside, but im not sure its a long term solution to them getting better jobs, prospects and real opportunities to choose something other than a life of crime.

Of course the best cure is prevention, but it seems the government spends most of its time pandering to the notion of being "tough on crime" rather than sorting the causes of the problems out.

 

Personally, I don't think that prison is a "punishment" anymore. It seems more like "respite care" care for the elderly.
I believe that sentencing should have two elements these days which should be approx 60% punishment, 40% rehabilitation but the rehab shouldn't start until the punishment is finished.

 

But it should also be a deterrent

ie make the punishment severe enough to make the b@stards think twice about doing the crime in the first place.</p>

If they still wanna go there - tough ****. They get what they deserve - they CHOSE to go there in the first place.</p>

And how many will come out better people - they've chosen a life of crime and they aren't afraid of the consequences.</p>

And finally - at least they do GET that choice, unlike their victims. How about some consideration for them once in a while?</p>

 

What I want to know is why?

Why is the need to carry a knife greater than it used to be?

 

Speaking from my point of view

as most people on here know i am a serving police officer.

The way the law is in the country at the moment, favours the offender and not the victim.

there are a few reasons for this.

1. we have no prison space, so peopl are being sentanced to for example 6 months and doing 3 weeks, this is wrong but the bed space is needed.
2. ASBO's - not worth the paper they are written on let alone all the effort and work that goes into getting one issued to somebody - kids see them as a 'medal of honour'
3. not enought police officers, i work on a shift where if we are lucky we will turn 8 bobbies out to cover 1/3 of doncaster and tonight for example when i am on nights starting at 9, because its friday we wil all be tied up at 10 and can't get to jobs, thisd does not provide a good service to the public, that they are entitled to and shoul recieve.
4. the rehabilitation culture - load of rubbish, can work in a few rare cases but mainly is just a short term fiix, long term strategies are needed, make the offenders work off their debt to society!!
5. Lack of punishment - see point 1, the penalties for carriying weapons are not high enough, 10 years ago bobbies didn't have to wear ballistic and stab proof vests, not allowed out of the nick without it now.

SOLUTION!!


build more prisons and employ magistartes who are ot afraid to dish out maximum sentances for crimes, show the law abiding public some respect and offer them some protection. employ more police officers and reduce paper work so that more time can be spent catching offenders for petty crimes such as criminal damage etc. GIVE THE PUBLIC THE SERVICE THEY DESERVE, unfortunately this governent won't and i can;t see any future one being any different, the problems will get worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are my own vies and do not reflect those of my employer