Genuine question..

(And obviously, only worth answering if you want LJ to stay on as manager.)




Why do you want him to stay on as manager?

 

Personally I do, but only because I've found the constant changing of managers more unsettling and more harmful, plus its embarrassing.

Not sure I see anything in him to think that he's going to take the club forward though, but surely he needs at least a little more time. If we are still in this situation at Christmas, he'll have to go and get a new manager in for the January window.

If that makes sense.

Its late.

 

because chopping and changing got us exactly where we are now, it would cost us yet more money requiring mr cryne to dip his hand in his pocket yet again (allegedly), who know, he may turn it around next week and we could do worse. But dont quote me, kneecaps and all that

 

1 He hasn't been here long enough for me to make an informed judgement about his abilities.
2 I'm not convinced he's in complete control of player recruitment.
3 If the wage budget of our squad really is all we can afford as one of the best supported club's in the division then we're paying way above what they're worth and that isn't Johnson's fault.
4 Sacking managers has failed time and time again. I'd like us to try not sacking one for a change, see how that works out.
5 Just because the team played poorly in the last game (and the one before, and the one before that) it does not follow that they will do so in the next game, or the one after that. We have the word improvement for a reason.
6 Johnson said he needed 3 transfer windows, most agreed this was fair. That would suggest things may not go great at first, that it will take time. That is exactly how things are panning out, so why are we moving the goal posts when we already knew this was a possibility?
7 It will really piss off some people I don't particularly like.

 

It may be a genuine question Whitey, but is it the right question?

For staying: We've swapped too many times. Lee is a personable bloke with football intelligence, a thirst for studying the game/coaching, and is popular with the players.

Against staying: The confidence of the side has gone. We are staring down the barrel of a further relegation. The entertainment level is the pits at the moment. This affects revenue, which in turn affects the level we can aspire to play at.

So the real question for me is: Are you prepared to risk a further relegation and partial alienation of the fanbase in order to have a 'long term plan' in place?

I said I wouldn't watch in League One - but here I am! League Two is an absolute line in the sand for me. But even survival won't keep me on board if a continuation of the present entertainment level is what's on offer.

 

Keep him on and prepare for Oblivion!

 

Out of interest, do you? Want him to stay? I only ask as your post about apathy very much mirrors my own and my apathy towards the whole thing now stretches to the manager staying/going.

I think it's possible there's a good manager in there, just like there's probably a good team- I'm just struggling to be fussed.

Slightly off the original question, so apologies.

 

Because it's a pointless exercise. The manager isn't solely the problem.

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I want us not to sack a manager during a storm for once. I want them to try and ride it out.

If I was convinced that everything going wrong was down to Lee Johnson, and I had faith in the board in replacing him with someone who'd galvanize the club, spot the problems and fix them etc, then fair enough, I'd probably look at LJ's last month as unacceptable and call for that change. But I'm not convinced. In fact, I'm wondering if he's merely a yes man working to instruction. Just a coach, with very little say in recruitment. It's said that certain managers weren't interested in the job once they realised it wasn't a manager Barnsley wanted, but a head coach. Now I know this policy works at other clubs, where a head coach works with the players a committee finds and recruits. But it's not for me. It smacks of interference and other folk at the club thinking they know more than they've proven to know since 2003-04.


So no, I don't see the point in sacking him.

Hardly a glowing reference for keeping him, I know. But if a cafe made **** food would you blame the waiter for bringing you it or the one who cooked it?

 

i really thought on saturday his time had come. i wasnt at that game but it looked plain to see we were done for. however what id love to see is us ride it out for once. its not particulaly about LJ just give a manager time and space to develop his ideas and his team.

We as a club and indeed the fans are far too reactionary, some on here would sack a manager every week and the noisy minority delight in shouting that. that doesnt make them right even though they like to think so. it doesnt make the ones who are saying keep the manager right either, there really is no right or wrong answer but if we have a plan, we should actually stick to it for once.

 

Another new man who will probably bore us to death with the football, its the way football is at the mo, another set of players for the new man, more lip service paid to playing our youth, more money wasted paying off LJ, Tommy and any players we have actually paid money for that the new man dunt want(although there aint that many).

I wont have to cringe when I see the press conference and club statements.

But most of all if LJ is going to lose his job then go out with yer team fighting and entertaining the paying customers you`ll be thought better of.

 

Pretty much that

 

Most of that sums up my thinking, too. I'd also add that if he were to leave, I honestly don't believe we'd bring in anyone along the lines of Rosler, Cooper, Hasselbaink, etc., or whoever the current flavour of the month is. As soon as the next man hits the first period of poor results & performances, the knives will be out for him, too.

 

"It's said that certain managers weren't interested in the job once they realised it wasn't a manager Barnsley wanted, but a head coach."

Where is that said mate? And which managers?

Interested as I've not heard that before.

 

http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/ar...points-lee-johnson-as-head-coach-2296098.aspx


The Club received a large number of applicants for the post. Other prospective candidates were approached. Some of those that appeared popular in the eyes of the supporters qualified themselves out from consideration by seeking higher ranked coaching opportunities. Money was never an issue.

 

I do remember that announcement now you've mentioned it. Particularly wondered at the time wtf "qualified themselves out from consideration by seeking higher ranked coaching opportunities" actually meant.

Do you have a trunk you tie knots in to remember stuff?

Cue DrZ with a 48" joke.

 

What an awful joke that is, but it's not stopped him using it about 30 times.

 

The last paragraph makes me laugh:

The Board believes that everyone will like Lee’s personality. He is honest, passionate and a good communicator. Lee believes strongly in fan engagement. He is ambitious and has a clear vision for the development of our Club going forward. Let’s give him our full support!

Because you know, that's the most important thing to consider when appointing a manager - sod Danny's 1000 games of experience, as long as Lee's a good laugh then we'll be alright.

 

He's a modern day carry on character. A crap one mind.

 

But nobody can be forcing him to play dogshite football in a formation that suits noone but his own ego with his apparent 'philosophy'. We have what I think are the most talented group of players in the league yet we sit in the bottom 4 having just lost 5 on the spin to all League 2 or below standard clubs. Regardless of whos got what say on signings that is nowhere near good enough and he shouldnt just be kept on because we dont want to sack yet another manager.


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