Guaranteed racing tip, anyone.?

You have blood on your hands, you dirty bastaurds. One step away from child abusers. Yes, you heard that right. Think on.

 

wow…

I’m all for animal rights but comparing people that like horse racing to child abusers is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Not to mention the fact that saying things like this does nothing to advance your cause or make your point and in fact the only thing it will do is turn away people that might otherwise be on your side.

 

A tremendous race yesterday, and no horse harmed. (Sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative). On to the Craven Meeting at Newmarket this week, when the Flat Turf season steps up a gear. Let's hope racing continues to thrive despite the shrill voices of the activists and extremists.

 

not a horse racing fan myself, but whatever your opinion of it that statement is well out of order!

 

Any sane person would not be in favour of any form of cruelty but if horse racing was totally banned just think of the millions of horses that would be put down. Because what use would we have for them, unless we went back to the stone age.

 

Who exactly are you referring to ?

 

Do one, W@###r

 

I think jump racing should be reformed/abolished but comparing it to child abuse isn't going to help.

 

I mean comparing people betting on the national to child abusers and calling them ‘dirty bastaurds’ is pretty much bad enough - but this is compounded and made all the more bizarre when you consider the post was made seven hours or so after the race - a race which had over 20 finishers for the first time in over 30 years, a race where not one ridden horse fell (some riders were dislodged but not one horse went down while being raced), there were no fatalities or even close to it - in fact the only injury reported to have been sustained was a cut to the hind leg of the horse that finished second. They literally put the equine equivalent to savlon on it and sent him back to his stable lad.

I’ve let my son play rugby since he was a little lad. Still does at sixteen, just got back from a tour in Spain and Gibraltar with his team. He’s sustained slightly more than a cut on his leg on the odd occasion. Am I abusing him?

I suppose the argument then becomes they force the horses to do it without checking their will to do so. Put a thoroughbred horse in a field with fences and ditches and see what it is naturally compelled to do.

Watch any horse that dislodges its rider in any race and watch the horse carry on running and jumping. It doesn’t just stop and have a bit of a chew on the grass.

Also, regarding will. If a horse of that size decides during a race it doesn’t want to jump a fence, then I can assure you, it won’t.

I’d argue if anything they’ve diluted the race a bit too much - but they all came home safe and sound.

Ban racing today and you will have thousands of horses put to sleep tomorrow in this country alone. You’d also be signing off on the extinction or virtual extinction of the thoroughbred breed, and kill a multi million pound industry that employs a vast number of people.

Animals will continue to be bred solely for the purpose of sustaining or entertaining humans. Be that food to eat, milk to drink, horses to ride, fish to catch, anything.

You might not like it, but you’re not morally in the right to make the comparison you did.

 

No justification for having a race whose fences due their height and density cause death and serious injury , it’s become institutionalised in calling the race the Grand National . There’s a correlation between animal cruelty and those who commit violent offences , domestic abusers and , yes, child abusers . Just because it’s in plain sight under the banner of Sport doesn’t make it any less cruel. It’s had its day

 

Nothing wrong with having a view about horse racing. For what its worth I think jumps racing should be abolished. There are hundreds of horses killed every year because of jumping (I did know the figures once and it did run into 3 figures). Flat racing is another matter - hardly any fatalities. Its the number of deaths that make it morally unacceptable to me. The industry people know that lots of horses will die yet still carry on because there are vested interests and there's money involved. It may be a spectacle, yes, but that doesn't make it right. Dropping bombs on Gaza is a 'spectacle' but that's not right either. The welfare of the animals is not paramount in racing as is often said - if that were the case they wouldn't have jumps racing. It should be abolished over time but it wont be for reasons mentioned.
I am a punter myself and like horse racing because I can win a bit if I solve the puzzle of which is going to win but I still think like I do.
Abolish jumps racing but keep flat racing so that there's still an industry, peoples livelihoods aren't ruined and there's still money for the vested interests. Do it over a long period of time so jumps trainers/breeders etc can adapt.
I had a bet yesterday because the National exists with or without me. I dont think I have blood on my hands though as I've just explained.

 

Flat racing does have its fatalities racing 2 year olds is not very good for a growing animal that probably weighs more than half a ton, plenty of flat horses get broken legs at this age by just running at speed and turning bends, their bones are not mature enough.
IMHO the state I’ve witnessed horses being kept in has well surpassed the fatalities that happens throughout the year in horse racing were for the most part the horses are part of the racing family. Horse racing isn’t cruel horses have the mental age of a ten year old and are trained to jump fences. They do this even if their left to their own devices their only defence in the wild would be to run from an attacker and jump over anything that gets in their way,a natural reaction.

 

When i read this post this morning, first.thing i noticed was the 12.30 am post time, BEER TALK, an emotional post worded wrongly under the influence, weve all done it and i'm sure he wont be the last.

 

Alcohol is no excuse for being a ****

 

Think your going to regret this post in the morning, I do speak utter bo11oxs due to the odd pint or two but not this bo11ox(I hope). Just apologise & trust me we'll all move on

 

You’re just conflating facts to suit an agenda now.

The type of ‘animal cruelty’ to which you can attribute correlation to violence and child abuse isn’t the racing of horses as well you know.

There is an absolute world of difference between breeding a horse, training it, feeding it the best diet science can create for it, having numerous people look after it and love it daily (but that be deemed cruel as they are also ridden and raced), and some lout whacking his XL bully with its lead or booting it because it doesn’t do exactly as it’s told, despite having had no proper training.

I acknowledge the views of many that racing is cruel and I accept your right to feel that way. But correlating that to violence and child abuse based on your personal view that it is cruel - and the fact there is correlation between actual, unarguable animal cruelty and violent crime, is a a huge reach - and massively inaccurate.

 

You are spot on mate …let’s see if there’s an apology

 

You end up with a dead animal which ever way you look at it , my reference is to races like the Grand National specifically, there are owners who will not put their horses in the National

 

Hi I do agree with the point posted but maybe the comparisons are a wee bit OTT but also the responses that Mr C has received are a bit OTT.
Maybe flat racing should be the norm. I don’t know and I’m not into horse racing.

 

That may be the case - I’d hope rarely in future - but there is still no correlation between racing horses and child abuse or any violent crime, which is what you tried to assert earlier.