Haven't we been here before?

Talking of sacking a manager after a couple of bad results?

With the quality of players we have we should be doing better. However, I think history tells us that constantly sacking managers is not the right option. Continuity will be the key imho.

 

Many times!

 

Even if the continuity is with somebody at the help who turns out be completely incompetent?

 

We're not far off being a decent side I don't think.

Knee jerk reactions won't help us, it will set us further back. He needs at least another year.

 

I'm not sure that's been the case with any of the manager's we've sacked though, with the possible exception of Spackman and maybe Parkin, but that was a long time ago now. Even the much maligned Simon Davey got us some very good results and brought in some very good players. They've not been perfect either like, but we're not in a position to attract the best managers in the game. Johnson's not perfect, I believe he's making mistakes at the moment and costing us games, but he's far from incompetent.

 

Don't think its bad results TBH, its more losing games that were there for the taking and the general lack of excitement that is irking a lot of folk.
I really don't want us to sack another manager ( have to be honest though I was totally baffled by the tunnel vision we seemed to have in recruiting him).
I'm totally confused now though, do we have a manager who has a great way that he wants to play but totally failed to assemble a squad capable of doing it.OR is he so one dimensional that he has assembled a talented squad of players and has no idea how to get the best out of them.OR is he overcomplicating tactics for this league and the standard he is up against?
Thing is when you dominate a game like we did yesterday and have so many shots ( putting how many were worthwhile or just statistically on target but were ones a schoolkid could have saved them) there is something very wrong because young players or not you should be making far more of that number of chances.

 

I'm not saying it is the case, I'm just speaking theoretically (for the time being at least). Although some of Johnson's recent decisions, as you pointed out in your post yesterday, can arguably be described as incompetent - particularly his insistence on playing Townsend ahead of Davies, and some of his substitutions. These are decisions that have not just prevented us from winning some very winnable games - they've actually directly caused us to lose them, and this is worrying.

I haven't advocated sacking any of our previous managers, though there were definitely some that I wasn't sorry to see go. I'm not saying that we should be relieving Johnson of his duties either, for the obvious reasons outlined by many posters already. However, if we reach a point where, for instance, there is a genuine threat of relegation to the 4th tier, then surely his position must then be at the very least reconsidered?

In the cold light of the morning after, I'm still feeling very glum about the last few matches, but I think that we have to stick with Johnson for now. However, if he were to be relieved of his duties tomorrow, I really can't say that I'd be very upset about it.

 

If you're in a relationship with a lass who you have no spark with, is boring you and refuses to take any responsibility for any argument you have and to top it off there is no sex life because she's scared to make the risk of getting pregnant so much that a simple handjob (sorry readers) is out of the question, do you dump her because she is making you miserable? Or do you marry her because you've had a few failed relationships in the past so you have decided that this time you need to make it permanent regardless

 

If he continues to make mistakes and cost us games (although I'm not sure who should be the judge of that, me claiming he is doesn't make it so) then his position will be looked at. However, it doesn't follow that because he made a mistake this week, he'll make one again the next. And I'm confident that we'll come up against a squad of players this season better than our own with more experience, but we'll win the game. We'll win it because of the tactics employed by Lee Johnson. I'm pretty confident too that neither I nor anyone else will credit our manager for that.

 

He'll get the 3 transfer windows he requested and rightly so (unless there's a serious threat of relegation).

Ie. If we're still in the same position this time next year, then he'll be gone and I can't imagine there'd be too many complaints from anyone.

This is a dire, dire vision and we really should be competing for the top 2 places. The atmosphere at Oakwell and general boredem some are feeling won't change until we are.

 

great analogy!

 

What is the point of three or three hundred transfer windows when you use them to bring in players on 6 month (at best) loan contracts

 

Absolutely correct. I think a very big sign as to whether Johnson is willing to learn from his mistakes is who will be in goal on Tuesday. With it being a relatively unimportant match, I'd be astounded if Davies didn't start. Let's see.

 

There'd certainly be no plans for marriage as yet, but there must have been something there that made her attractive in the first place and although things aren't going great, that initial attraction hasn't completely evaporated. There's a lot of middle ground between marriage and chalking **** on the relationship. Things can change for the better and sometimes you're pleased you stuck it out in the short term as it turned out great in the end. If we sacked off everything as soon as it got difficult or you weren't enjoying it, no one would ever further their education or take on a demanding job or learn to play a musical instrument, or excel at sport etc etc. It's still too early to judge.

 

I'm not actually advocating sacking him (though it looks like it) I don't think it will make the slightest difference because the people doing the hiring remain the same and the people influencing the attitude throughout the club remains the same. I'm just saying that keeping someone simply because in the past changing manager hasn't worked is a poor poor reason for doing so

 

While I agree in principle with continuity. I have to ask myself, can I continue to watch this tippy tappy carp being served up week in week out?

I used to look forward to going to Oakwell on a Saturday.... It's seemed a bit of a chore the last 18 months if I'm honest.

 

What with Wilson and now Lee Jay it really has been flame watching boredom of the highest order!!!

 

Yes, but didn't we sack the last 3

 

Whilst this is a wonderful analogy, does it not say more about the unrealistic and myopically selfish expectations of the male? Who perpetually ends relationships before they are given time to fully develop, who wants instant gratification and who always assumes the next patch of grass is greener than the present one?
And is thus doomed to a lonely life of misery.

 

Or perhaps the male is constantly selecting the wrong female to be his partner and thus the relationships are doomed to fail before they even start.

He THINKS he likes blondes with big tits and that is who he starts relationships but in reality that is nothing but sexua attraction and the females he keeps choosing are all the same and are not what he actually wants, only what looks like a pretty option when he's on tinder.