Here we go again....EU referendum...

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  1. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

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    "UK economy 'could be 6% smaller' after EU exit, warns Treasury" Blasted across BBC website page and in Times etc.<br>
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    Again no facts just "could". All this from a biased body that couldn't even predict the 2008 crash and now aying they can predict the economic situation over a decade from now.<br>
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    Balderdash!! Can either side please come up with some actual facts? Nope. Thought not. So I am left with looking at how things are NOW so its an OUT for me.
     
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  2. Tyk

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    I get that you're unimpressed with the negative campaigning; which by the way is endemic across both campaigns - but can you explain to me how you expect 'facts' about something which hasn't yet happened? Bt the nature of it being a future event any and all predictions made by both sides will be subject to uncertainty. The only 'fact' is that an exit from the EU effectively tears up our current trade agreements with the eurozone. Whether this ultimately means they'd end up worse, the same or better as a result is entirely speculation regardlessof which side of the argument is making the prediction.
     
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    This with bells on.
     
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    Simon De Montforte Well-Known Member

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    It's all speculation and opinion. For every expert in the "in" camp there is an equally qualified expert in the "out" camp.
    Nigel Lawson was a former chancellor and he's in the "out" camp.
    The thing that bothers me is that the "out" campaign seems to have been stifled somewhat by the media since both Tory & Labour rags as well as the BBC are firmly in the "in" camp.
    The only actual facts I know are that we pay £8.6b into the EU and get £1.9b back via government bodies or directly to beneficiaries.
    I don't give a **** that Germany and a few other countries pay more per capita than us.
    Employment laws, maternity leave etc which were good things brought in by the EU will most likely not be repealed so that argument that we'd lose these benefits doesn't wash with me either.
    Someone, somewhere is going to have to convince me that is a good deal otherwise I'm in the "Out" camp.
    The bureaucracy and red-tape and stupid CHIP regulations which cost manufacturing companies millions every other year (I know because I worked for a company that had to abide by these ridiculous changes to packaging) will most definitely not be missed.
     
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    Better the devil you know.
    Who knows what could happen if we leave....therefore it's an IN from me.
     
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  7. North Yorks Red

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    Well that's the trouble isn't it, yet horrible Osborne keeps spouting stuff and inferring that they are facts!
     
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    And nobody in the Leave camp is doing that at all!
     
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    It will be with no active recruitment drives in poland anymore...
     
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    When you have the chancellor and the PM doing it carries with more weight though surely and no I don't think the credible leave ones do it as much. Obviously Nigel and Galloway don't count
     
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    The EU plan is to get Turkey to join and that is enough for me to vote for Brexit.
     
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    MonkBrettontyke New Member

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    Just this
    EU needs us,we don't need EU
     
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    If we brexit, do we get barred from the Euro football competitions?
     
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    Both sides as bad as each other. Out campaign continues to claim it costs us £350m per week to be in the EU when this figure is gross, doesn't include the rebate, and doesn't account for any EU money spent in the UK. Makes a nice headline though so they keep saying it.
     
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    No, Norway have been included since they left the EU.
     
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    And we'll not be able to get out of the bl**dy song contest either.
     
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    MonkBrettontyke New Member

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    Geographically we are still in Europe
     
    MonkBrettontyke, Apr 18, 2016
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  18. Spirit Ditch

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    Are you not worried about how this might affect you as an ex-pat? I'm genuinely interested as I thought most ex-pats would have a vested interest in staying in
     
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    Do ex-pats get a vote? Do EU citizens living in the UK get a vote? - genuine question, but both could have an impact on the result (I would expect both to vote in otherwise it *could* affect their ability to continue with their life).
     
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    We'd govern ourselves and be able to trade freely with the world, not a select group of insular nations trying to operate as one state ( and in doing so riding roughshod over individual nations and people).

    The EU is a 1970's solution to 21st Century issues.
     
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