Hillsborough - another perspective.

I totally accept the court findings.

We now no longer have 96 Liverpool supporters who DIED on that day.

What we now have are 96 Liverpool supporters who were KILLED at Hillsborough.

If one of the 96 had been a relative of mine I would be glad the truth had come out today.
I would welcome the prospect of the police/ambulance service/SWFC being prosecuted.

But I wouldn't be cheering knowing that my relative had been killed rather than died. I'm not sure why I would feel like that.

And it's a salutary thought that every time we drive past Hillsborough or go there for a match that Hillsborough is the site of a mass killing.

Our thoughts should be with the families of the victims.

 

Ive been past that end of the ground countless times.

Never once have I thought pigs. But purely that so many people died in that area.

Strangely going past the ground the other side I spit swear and jeer.

But you have to hold your hands up and say well done to the families for persistence. I'm not sure if I could have pushed for 20 odd years. Hats off to them for that

 

Spot on, also not forgetting MP Andy Burnham for making the original
'Accidental Death ' findings open for scrutiny.

 

but they didn't die - they were killed!

 

They still died mate. Being killed is not an alternative to dying.

 

Just to be thorough.
Dieing can be caused by lots of things eg accident illness etc killed means by someone's hands or actions so tbf there is a difference

 

There are obviously different ways to die.

I repeat - being killed is not an alternative to dying.

 

In the point the poster was making it obviously does when its being writ down,

 

Got to disagree. To say they were killed sounds like people actually sent them down that tunnel knowing they'd die. It was a tragedy and I'm glad the truth has come but the police were guilty of negligence not murder. The covering up of the whole affair deserves a very harsh punishment for those involved though.

Also, I'd never heard about the 10 year old boy being tested for alcohol in his system until today, despicable.

 

They opened the gates ,if a fan had taken bolt croppers to the locks and forced the gates they would still be doing time.

 

But its not like they thought theyd open the gates and let people be killed, they obviously made a huge mistake and were negligent. Its the covering up of their mistakes which are despicable.

 

I think I'm about the same on this one, there was a crush outside the gates remember, a policeman took a decision which due to contributing other factors caused a huge tragedy. He didn't open the gates with the intention of killing 96 fans. What is despicable is the way SYP behaved subsequently. I'm glad we've hopefully reached an end.

 

Nobody is saying the police murdered anyone.

If you are a professional person though, if you act extreemly negligently you will be subject to the law.

There is a plaque under the East Stand to my mate, who was killed at 40 years old after a gas fitter negligently fitted a boiler in his home.
The guy went to court & did some time.

This incident at Hillsborough was covered up & the facts have only been examined in detail all these years afterwards, after a very long campaign.

In the meantime the policemen in charge have carried on working & have been drawing pensions paid in part by the taxes of the families of the people that died.

Justice has not been done, but the truth is out. Not the "Truth" printed by the Sun & other tabloid newspapers.

 

Why cover up something if there was nothing sinister ?
They had CCTV inside the ground ,stewards ,policemen on the ground,even Bruce grobbelaar alerted the police commanders as to what was happening and still he unleashed hell on them by opening the gates and not putting safety procedures into place is blocking the tunnel.
To say he is not responsible for what happened when he ordered the gate opening is unbelievable given that was his main task.ffs what are we appointing and paying these people for?
If the country is feked because the police can't handle or manage crowds is ,well I have no words.
That's my last post on the subject, the courts after listening every shred of evidence have made their verdict so your views are obsolete and insignificant,
Hopefully proper lessons will now be learned instead of the botched measures put into place and putting people to this dayinto danger and discomfort ,because the people in charge will now be held to account.

 

But will they. FFS it's taken 27 years to get this far.

Duckenfield should imo be now facing manslaughter charges along with others in charge. Gross incompetence.

 

Totally agree mate.
How some people are coming tobthr conclusion he wasn't at fault and drunken fans were responsible is beyond belief IMO.

How's it going mate ,take it your well and raring to go for another Wembley venture .

 

That's about my take on it - mistakes can be forgiven (though Duckenfield's spectacular lack of preparation compared with his meticulous predecessor was unbelievable), but the spineless cover-up is what riles me, and I would guess many others. Duckenfield should be hung out to dry, though in reality I guess he'll get away with a suspended sentence.

 

Things could be better mate. In fact a lot better. Relegated next week at Dens of all places. Nightmare. On the telly so I'll suffer alone in silence. This is real bad.

Thankfully Barnsley have stopped me considering hari kari.
Yeah another Wembley weekend would be brilliant. That JPT experience was something else. Great day out, great game and brilliant people to share it with. I'm eager for more.

 

How do you come to the conclusion there was a cover up if your saying there was nothing wrong? Baffling to say the least. Anyway as I said insignificant the truth is now out.whether people accept it or not.

 

Where did I say there was nothing wrong? There were mistakes made at every step with the policing. Brian Mole, who was chief of policing at the previous two semis there, and he knew full-well the potential for overcrowding at Hillsborough, and indeed identified Lepping's Lane as a particular high-risk area. Mole prepared meticulously for matches with many different protocols in place to cover for eventualities such as a build-up of supporters outside the turnstiles, in order to make sure that people were dissipated safely into the side pens. Duckenfield did none of this. He just crossed his fingers and hoped for the bext.