Spent a few hours reading up on this t'other night, and watched a couple of videos purporting to explain why there were no gas chambers etc etc. I found the videos and the written articles quite interesting, if nothing else. If anybody is arsed, here's the main video I watched: [video=youtube;bVpbnk_qscg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVpbnk_qscg[/video] I personally believe the mass extermination of the Jews did indeed happen, via various crude methods. But I've got to be honest, the video above did get me questioning a few things. Would love to read the thoughts of folk on here. More than anything, to answer some of the facts presented in that video that as I say, had me questioning a few things. Heavy subject matter I know, but hey, it's better than whingeing about Luke Steele all Bank Holiday innit?
Just watched the first 10 minutes. Without question, the biggest load of **** I have ever watched in my life. Basically the argument is the holocaust didn't happen because the Nazis didn't design the killing area the way the author would have designed it. Quite an argument. In a similar argument, the fire on Apollo 1 never happened. What kind of dummy would fill a spacecraft with flammable materials then create a 100% oxygen atmosphere? Shocking design, therefore never happened. Life is way too short to carry on listening to such drivel.
Probably more to be honest - no doubt it happened. Even guards confessed when captured - book out about the head of austwich capture. His defence was he was doing as he had been instructed. This was not an acceptable defence and he was taken back to the camp and hung in the grounds of the camp
My brother in law's Grandfather was a Nazi. His Mum was showing me pictures of him in his uniform, very surreal to be sat there looking at them.
Of course it happened, I don't think anyone knows how many died though, it's just an estimate, I doubt the Nazis kept records.
I think in certain areas records were kept meticulously as they all wanted to report how well they were doing. Of course, these were destroyed as the Red Army approached from the East.
Was he a Nazi? I guess so, he joined the party, but I don't think Oskar Schindler got up to any Nazi shenanigans.
The study of History is based on evidence. The best kind of evidence is what is called Primary Evidence, such as reliable eye-witness accounts, film (before it became so easy to tamper with it), hard evidence (remains, buildings, documents etc.) and so on. There is such a wealth of Primary Evidence that I can't believe that people (apart from the Iranians) are still arguing this one. When I was a boy there was a bloke lived near me who had been in the Army. He was there on D-Day and his unit was one of the first into Auschwitz. He saw what was there, and it changed his life. Unlike others who went quiet, he talked about it. Hearing him changed me too. It is irrelevant how many were gassed and cremated; most in there were starved, beaten and driven to death by despair. Even today there are some really old people still here with tattoos on their arms bearing witness to the fact that they were in those camps and somehow survived to tell the story. There is just so much evidence that to deny it means that the hoax must be the biggest hoax since hoaxes were first thought of, requiring the complicity of tens of thousands of people. Having had that rant, I have to say that it is only human to have to revisit some things and question them, as they seem hardly credible. But having revisited them, just look at the amount of evidence. It is surely beyond denial.
Is that some ***** on the Internet saying it didn't happen? If so, no thanks. It happened and denying it happened ought to carry a criminal punishment like it does in Europr.
I was with The Royal Air Force and served in Germany I can assure you it did happen I was at RAF Gutersloh the home of the Front line Harrier. We did Nato exercises at various times of the year. At Sennelager we were not allowed to dig machine gun pits or defensive trenches as the place was littered with mass graves of both jews and Russian troops. I visited Belsen & Aushcwich . I have absolutely no doubt at all about the holocaust being real.
The only thing that proves is anti-semitism is alive, well and still preying on vulnerable minds. And Barnsley Joe is quite right. There were actually upwards of 11 million Jews, Christians, Poles, Germans, Gypsies, homo-sexuals, political objectors, Socialists/Communists/Bolsheviks, academics, journalists, trade unionists, Czechs, Greeks, Jehovah's Witnesses, mentally and physically handicapped, resistance fighters, Russians, Serbs, Spanish Republicans, Ukrainians, Yugoslavians & prisoners of war of many nations - who were killed, in the larger definition of the tyrannical and murderous 'event' we know as Holocaust.
"It happened and denying it happened ought to carry a criminal punishment like it does in Europe." I don't agree with that. Without doubt it happened, and it's worse than you can possibly imagine, not better. But I don't want to start throwing people in gaol for what they think. Think what you like. If you want to make yourself look a complete dick then feel free.