How many current England players....

...would get in the Italia 90 team?

Or the Euro 96 team?



I'd have Hart in instead of Shilton at Italia 90. But that's that.

As for 96, I wouldn't pick one from the present day. That squad was on fire that tournament. So much attacking talent.

 

Hart is and will never be anywhere near as good as Shilton

in his prime.

 

Re: Hart is and will never be anywhere near as good as Shilton

Shilton was immense, but not at Italia 90 he wasn't. Piss poor in fact.

 

Rooney

Not as good as Gazza mind.

 

Maybe not dragon tyke but at Italia 90 he was at least two or three years past his prime. Maybe 5. That goal against the Germans highlighted time catching up with him - in the same way Seaman wasn't at his peak in 2002.

I was never actually a huge Shilton fan, the one thing I massively disagreed with cloughie about. Always felt he was suspect when the ball was in the air. Possibly the best shot stopper I've seen though, I'd take the 82 Shilton over hart for sure. Hart will still improve though IMO.

 

its all about opinions

for me the greatest we have had will always be Gordon Banks.

 

Re: Rooney

Instead of?

 

1990

Shilton

Johnson Butcher Wright Cole (Close one with Pearce)

Waddle Platt Gascoigne Barnes

Rooney Lineker


1996


Seaman

Neville Adams Southgate Cole (again toss up with Pearce)

Walcott Platt Gascoigne Wilshere

Shearer Sheringham (Or Rooney...tough shout. Sheringham may edge it due to partnership with Shearer)



So in answer to your question. 3 and 3.

 

The first 11 for both tournaments were very good, but the squads were a bit iffy, particularly in 1990. If Beardsley or Lineker had been injured it would have been Steve Bull up front! Bobby Robson would have loved to be able to call on Rooney as a sub. Although there was Trevor Steven. If your surname was Steven or Stevens you had to be picked for England in them days. It was the law. Two Gary Stevens, there's only two Gary Stevens.

1990
1 GK Peter Shilton 18 September 1949 (aged 40) 118 Derby County
2 DF Gary Stevens 27 March 1963 (aged 27) 39 Rangers
3 DF Stuart Pearce 24 April 1962 (aged 28) 24 Nottingham Forest
4 MF Neil Webb 30 July 1962 (aged 27) 24 Manchester United
5 DF Des Walker 26 November 1965 (aged 24) 18 Nottingham Forest
6 DF Terry Butcher 28 December 1958 (aged 31) 72 Rangers
7 MF Bryan Robson (c) 11 January 1957 (aged 33) 85 Manchester United
8 MF Chris Waddle 14 December 1960 (aged 29) 52 Marseille
9 FW Peter Beardsley 18 January 1961 (aged 29) 40 Liverpool
10 FW Gary Lineker 30 November 1960 (aged 29) 51 Tottenham Hotspur
11 MF John Barnes 7 November 1963 (aged 26) 53 Liverpool
12 DF Paul Parker 4 April 1964 (aged 26) 5 Queens Park Rangers
13 GK Chris Woods 14 November 1959 (aged 30) 16 Rangers
14 DF Mark Wright 1 August 1963 (aged 26) 24 Derby County
15 DF Tony Dorigo 31 December 1965 (aged 24) 3 Chelsea
16 MF Steve McMahon 20 August 1961 (aged 28) 12 Liverpool
17 MF David Platt 10 June 1966 (aged 23) 5 Aston Villa
18 MF Steve Hodge 25 October 1962 (aged 27) 22 Nottingham Forest
19 MF Paul Gascoigne 27 May 1967 (aged 23) 11 Tottenham Hotspur
20 MF Trevor Steven 21 September 1963 (aged 26) 26 Rangers
21 FW Steve Bull 28 March 1965 (aged 25) 7 Wolverhampton Wanderers
*22 GK David Seaman 19 September 1963 (aged 26) 2 Queens Park Rangers F.C.
*22 GK Dave Beasant 20 March 1959 (aged 31) 2 Chelsea

1996
1 GK David Seaman 19 September 1963 (aged 32) 24 Arsenal
2 DF Gary Neville 18 February 1975 (aged 21) 10 Manchester United
3 DF Stuart Pearce 24 April 1962 (aged 34) 65 Nottingham Forest
4 MF Paul Ince 21 October 1967 (aged 28) 19 Internazionale
5 DF Tony Adams (c) 10 October 1966 (aged 29) 40 Arsenal
6 DF Gareth Southgate 3 September 1970 (aged 25) 4 Aston Villa
7 MF David Platt 10 June 1966 (aged 29) 58 Arsenal
8 MF Paul Gascoigne 27 May 1967 (aged 29) 38 Rangers
9 FW Alan Shearer 13 August 1970 (aged 25) 23 Blackburn Rovers
10 FW Teddy Sheringham 2 April 1966 (aged 30) 15 Tottenham Hotspur
11 MF Darren Anderton 3 March 1972 (aged 24) 11 Tottenham Hotspur
12 DF Steve Howey 26 October 1971 (aged 24) 4 Newcastle United
13 GK Tim Flowers 3 February 1967 (aged 29) 8 Blackburn Rovers
14 MF Nick Barmby 11 February 1974 (aged 22) 6 Middlesbrough
15 MF Jamie Redknapp 25 June 1973 (aged 22) 4 Liverpool
16 DF Sol Campbell 18 September 1974 (aged 21) 1 Tottenham Hotspur
17 MF Steve McManaman 11 February 1972 (aged 24) 10 Liverpool
18 FW Les Ferdinand 8 December 1966 (aged 29) 10 Newcastle United
19 DF Phil Neville 21 January 1977 (aged 19) 1 Manchester United
20 MF Steve Stone 20 August 1971 (aged 24) 6 Nottingham Forest
21 FW Robbie Fowler 9 April 1975 (aged 21) 3 Liverpool
22 GK Ian Walker 31 October 1971 (aged 24) 2 Tottenham Hotspur

 

Cheers, pal. Nice to see someone give a detailed answer. And I can see your logic.

But I wouldn't drop that Pearce for this Cole. The Cole of a few years back perhaps.

And Johnson? Opinions eh.


But I admit Rooney was the one other that I'd have been tempted to include somewhere.

 

Steve Stone. Had a reight tournament.

I loved that tournament. Everything about it, until those pesky Germans again...

 

Re: Rooney

No, someone to replace Sheringham after an hour, although r Wayne isn't as disciplined a player as Sheringham was and so possibly wouldn't be as good a foil for Shearer.

Maybe Redknapp.

 

Definitely some iffy ones there. Steve Stone, Steve Howey, Phil Neville, Hodge, Dorigo, Stevens. Some really ordinary footballers.

Then again, the same could probably be said for Jagielka, Foster, Cahill etc etc.

 

Johnson only because it's him or Parker. And let's be fair, he wasn't all that.

 

Aye, squad players. But I always rated Stone. He was a better winger than Milner will ever be.

 

Thought Parker was decent.

 

Re: Rooney

Rooney for Gazza with 20 minutes left.

Steele to replace Shilton in Italia 90 in the second half of extra time against West Germany.

 

He was decent, but not much more. Although, the same could be said of Johnson. I think Johnson can play better, but he often doesn't.

 

I was never keen on Stone. Although I agree he was a more natural winger than Milner. Although I suspect Milner is viewed more as a utility type player, does a job anywhere without ever excelling. Typical managers favourite. Fills gaps, works hard whilst most fans struggle to see what he actually contributes.

 

Would you have Milner over Perkins?