I am sick to death of some of the nasty criticism

.. levelled at Keith Hill.

In all the time I have been visiting, reading and posting on this board – I don’t think I have ever felt such disgust and personal alienation from some so called Barnsley supporters.

There’s always been banter and moaning, and criticism about the management team, but never in the last 14 years or so have I ever heard such hard, nasty and unwarranted criticism as has been recently levelled at him and his team.

When he was first appointed he appeared to be universally accepted. People liked his confidence, his straightforward, no-nonsense attitude. This board was awash with endless praise.

The fellah has been in charge for just 5 league games, netting five points from three AWAY games, and losing two home matches, one only narrowly, to two of the top performing and heavily tipped sides in this division.

He has achieved that on a very limited budget, with largely new and unknown players, and in a completely new setting.

But the Boo boys have not been able to wait to get straight into his neck. There is frustration and there will always be disagreement about tactics, and there will always be passion among supporters. But if you support a side - any side, if you are a true supporter, you would never dream of destroying the team you love by dishing out that kind of abuse.

It doesn’t end there. When interviewed after a much-deserved win, he makes reference to the criticism, how it hurts, and how much it can have a disabling effect on his players. And then the umbrage meter jumps right off the scale. “How dare he insult us by speaking his mind – even though a couple of months ago we welcomed somebody who was going to do just that? “ After that, everything is up for grabs – be it the way he speaks, how he responds, or the fact that he omits his “duty” to thank travelling supporters, for whatever reason.

Paying, or even not paying your money seems to give you carte blanche to say what you like, no matter how insulting, undermining and destructive it is, whether from the terrace where they can hear you, or here on the internet where they can read you. Call them arrogant, and tossers and ignorant and useless and clueless and make all sorts of other derisory comments – because you can!”

“And then sit and wonder why things don’t improve – why the manager gets more tetchy and results don’t get better – and of course blame everybody but yourself, just like he allegedly does. And of course when it all collapses you can say I told you so.

Criticism is one thing, booing is another; personal taunts and insults are something else. If Hillcroft and co decided to walk away at the first opportunity, no one could truly blame them. Baptisms of fire are one thing, but what has been dished out lately is entirely another. We are not a big club with a big budget or a consistently large following. Economic times are hard. We punch above our weight, and we do a lot of skating on thin ice and at the end of the season stay up very often on a bit more than a wing and a prayer. I’m sure we don’t know the half of the sacrifices that have been made to keep the club afloat, by the people who have tried so hard to do just that.

If we want to see all that stay in place, we need to be more supportive to the folk who are charged with delivering the minimum we require, and perhaps we may even get more than that.

Keith Hill is renowned for his straight talking - and for returning as good as he gets. Most people on here seem to like that approach – until he uses it against those who would set out to hurt him and his players. Respect is very much a two way street – and if we want it, then we must be expected to give it back.

If we are not prepared to afford him that, then we do not deserve him.

 

is it the time of the month?

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I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

Get off you bloody high horse and give the VAST MAJORITY of BFC fans some credit.
We are not evil, we are not murderers, we are not even traffic offenders!!!!
What we are is a crowd of fans, that all have differing ideas on how the club should go, we will never all be united together in ANY ideas, we are entitled to have an opinion whether you agree or not,the fans that booed are not scum, they are passionate, I wish that the players on show during those matches had showed a tenth of th passion that the crowd did, then there would be no more booing or name calling.
We have a manager that somehow believes if he keeps saying that the fans are **** , they will somehow become united behind, sorry that is the opposite of what is happening.
I an fed up of seeing more and more threads started on here having a go at their fellow fans, Keith Hill may become the greatest manager in the history of football, but at this moment he is just another little manager , managing another little town club, on a little budget. It is time HE stopped comparing OUR past, he has not one single idea about what it was like to get to the Prem, maybe he will in time get that same feeling, but at this momenet in time all he has on his CV is ONE promotion from DIVISION "(forth division).
I support Barnsley Football Club, not Hill, Robins, Davey, Ritchie , not even Wilson, I do have the right to let the manager and players no how I feel about their pathetic display, I did not and will not boo during play, but I have booed at both fulltime and halftime, I an certain that I will again, it does not make me evil!!


Rant over and I really do not care if anyone agrees with me or not, these are my feelings, just as you have yours.

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

some barnsley folk are well known for dishing it , but wo' betied an outsider answering back.

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

'he started it, Sir'

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

seen as though my original post quite predictably went down like a wet fart i'll repeat, no doubt for the moaners to ignore anyway.

'This part was not included in the radio sheffield interview and can be seen on player now.

Direct Quote from Hill himself 'They've been magnificent, the majority of supporters have been magnificent to myself and flicker and the new boys and the squad that we've got. It's a work in progress... but progress takes time. i'm not a magician if i was i'd have Debbie McGee alongside me instead of flicker. the supporters have been unbelievable i must admit, even chanting my name today so i'm reasonably happy with that.'

Now stop fecking moaning you great jessies.'

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

And the other stuff was edited out for Barnsley player, he as usual contradicts himself within minutes

 

There is a small but vocal group of fans who want Hill to fail and use any excuse to moan, whinge and criticise him. The team loses and it's Hill out, Parkin all over again, lower league ****, down at Xmas, told you so, blah blah blah. Then we pick up great points away so this same group can't criticise him for the result so they go for something else, he says we're negative, he says we talk about 97, he didn't wave at us or tell us he loves us, blah blah blah. The abuse he is getting is very unfair and very ott. Why can't people get of his back and let him do his job.

I was very disappointed with the two home games, as were many fans, but I know it will get better and I am confident that he will keep us up if he isn't hounded out of the club by the thin skinned moaners who like to give out dogs abuse but act like he has just p1ssed on their kids when he says anything back.

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

Durkar , it is not possible to say anything that shows Hill in any other than a perfect light! We the fans are scum, we the fans are at fault for the inept showings at home this season, we must be because Hill says so and the muppets believe him.

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

I see no contradiction in saying 'I'm sick of hearing about past glories we need to live in the here and now' and then going on to say what i quoted above.

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

booing is wrong during a game, yet booing at half-time in our 1st home game off the back of an away point is acceptable?? jeez.
im not saying u cant boo. do as u must. but its pointless. and u admit its wrong in part, so.?.?.? why do it?!

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

Do you two want to meet up, chat about how much you both hate Keith Hill, t0$s each other off and have done with it.

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

the thing that strikes me most with Hills comments is, that for a manager who's main tactic away from Oakwell seems to be to frustate the home team to the point that the crowd turn on their own team but when the boots on the other foot he's moaning n groaning, also because HE is making such a big thing about our fans reaction, even after good performances away, that other managers will see n hear this and make their jobs n tactics 10x easier.

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

I think Jay covered it well in this post

http://v2.barnsleyfc.org.uk/showthread.php?156622-I-like-Keith-Hill&p=1040505#post1040505

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

some on here should remain quiet and let us guess you are fools, rather than opening your mouths and removing all doubt !

 

quite easy to see the barnsley fans with a brain and them without one isnt it.

well said rr, top post.

 

Proper f.cking lol

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

Red Rag & Mario - couldn't agree more. You have perspective and that's what people don't have any of these days. Them that don't have perspective also find it easy to sit at a keyboard spewing abuse and bile and then nipping off for a cup of tea.
Mad Mark - I love your passion for our club but surely you understand that people can have a different view to yours. This game is all about opinions. In terms of BFC we all want the same thing - including Keith Hill. Nobody is getting on a high horse, and the manager is not saying the fans are **** - even tho some of them are (eg the guy behind me at the last home game who started booing before boro had even scored - now that is **** - surely you would agree?).
Team Barnsley for chrissake - Fans Players Management Team Board.
Jesus.

 

totally agree - hey mebbe WE are the majority? Power to the principle of positive thinking!!!!

 

Re: I am sick mto death of being told we, the fans are worse than evil too.

I dont hate Keith Hill, although I must admit I am becoming disallusioned with him, I dislike his constant digs at the fans, saying we dont understand how hard his job is etc. He is 100% wrong we do understand how hard the job is, what we dont understand is why he can say one thing, then completely say the opposite and say its the fans that dont understand.
Yes we have no money , every single supporter of the ream knows and understands that perfectly, we have known for years that the club is being bankrolled and this had to stop, what we(I) dont understand is that Hill says we can compete and will compete. Then saying that we should expect to be relegated!

Also maybe you should meet up with all the other people that see no wrong in Hill and have a mutual love-in.