I dont know what equation shep is working to

but dicing with relegation just to break even faster and getting relegated again would be even worse for this club than taking more sustainable losses for a season or two.

If we can get a few players in to generate interest and life the spirit amongst the fans (which is depleting by the day) and get a good start even more fans will come back. If were are going to wait till xmas before dipping into the kitty it might be too late.

Remember - results either breed or deplete confidence. We were in the bottom 4 at xmas when we got relegated and never got out of it. I dont want this to happen again.

The latest incident with Shukes just makes things worse. Ask any of our rival fans last year and they were all **** scared of shukes and reckoned he was our best and most dangerous player. Cant believe they are going to block him staying when he has agreed to what they offered. Unless they get someone in sharpish as good if not better than sjukes i will be mightily pissed off.

 

following a discussion with shepherd at the start of last season nothing will convince me more than realising he is a good business man but also fooking useless in the world of football.

 

Did our previous chairman help get us promoted?

 

Yes of course he did

He signed the players that were instrumental in our success.

 

Promotion was inspite of GS.

 

RE: Yes of course he did

Devaney, Howard, Hayes, Richards, Hecky, Nardi all signed under GS regime.

Reid, Macca, Colgan, Carbon signed under previous regime plus Shukes.

Therefore whilst improving the financial aspects of the club and supporting the manager with key players we got promoted. This board also appointed the manager instead of Paul Hart which also contributed to our success.

Comments?

 

Comments?

</p>

Yes he did help us to get promoted as the previous chairman signed the core of the squad that played in the promotion season.</p>

I didnt know that you had to love one chairman and hate the other. I was under the impression that it was ok to see good points and bad points in them both.</p>

Why are you so negative towards Peter Ridsdale and so positive towards Gordon Shepherd? Do you know something that we don't?</p>

 

RE: Comments?

I could ask you the same question in reverse.

 

On the other hand...

...our previous Chairman appears to have been good in the "world of football" but "fooking useless..."(fill in as appropriate).

 

The Problem Is ........

Gordon Shepherd prides himself on being a succesful businessman and has never "financially" been a failure turning round "other" types of business however not having spoken to the bloke i am starting to think that he is "astutely" unaware of the implications if we get relagated.
Mr Cryne on the other hand has suggested to Andy Ritchie the types of players he would like to put his hand in his pocket for but Mr Ritchie according to local journalists from ALL 3 local papers seems hell bent on bringing in young players whom will not have the experience of Consolidating Barnsleys survival in this league
I do have it on good authority [FACT] that Mr Cryne IS losing patience with Mr Ritchie due to the players which are available, and some are "seasoned " players that Mr Ritchie is turning down because of their ages[messrs Hendry & Wilkinson come to mind].
It seems to me that Cryne wants players in now who can do a job and if we are clear off the relegation zone at X mas then Ritchies position will be fine, If on the other hand we are in the bottom 3 at X mas then WOULD Cryne be happy to dip in his pocketand buy a couple of players who would be on good wages to keep us up and at the same time risk taking the club back down with a financial burden and struggle again for 3 or 4 years in League 1, i doubt it.
If Ritchie demonstrates with signings that HE can cut it at this level then he will be fine, butif we are floundering at x mas then if Mcarthy is still out of a job then watch this space....

 

read the line above the question

I can see good and bad in both. I can see good and bad in Peter Doyle, Sean Lewis and John Dennis too.</p>

Dennis:
ambitious
a barnsley fan
Looked at the club from a fans point of view too often.</p>

Doyle:
No money
Bad reputation that was always going to cause problems
True intentions? Nobody knows
Stepped up when nobody else did</p>

Lewis:
Very ambitious
great plans
looked very promising
just no funds to back up his plans</p>

Ridsdale:
Very ambitious
Knows his football
Takes too many gambles for a small team</p>

Shepherd:
Very good businessman
Inexperienced in the football world
Sometimes appears to look at the club too much as a business</p>



So there you go, i'm not against Shepherd or any of the others but I do feel he needs to learn some new skills and gain knowledgeto be ultimately successful. Most likely that will come with time.</p>

So why are you so against the previous chairman and so for the current one?</p>

 

Good to see Gordon has another fan on here , as well as the Big Lils

Personally , I'm still very optimistic about this coming season . Two years ago , under Ridsdale , we brought in some quality players , but we also signed dross ( Williams , Scarsella , Onibuje , Vaughan ) . Under GS , I'd suggest Kell , Wright and McParland have still to prove their worth . But of the two chairmen , I'd pick Gordon Shepherd every time as being the best man and the best chairman .

 

and the current trends dont worry you

EVERY signing we hanve been linked with or tried to get has gone elsewehere apart from Coulson who was coming anyway.

NO players brought in yet.

Current players who are willing to stay at the contracts offered are now been binned.

Players that have gone not been replaced - Burns, Mcphail etc.

We are making exactly the mistakes the SWFC made last season. Why dont we learn from others misfortune. The exact words of Sturrock were "we seriously underestimated the quality of the championship" and "because we were in the playoffs we missed out on all the best players as they went to other clubs in the mean time".

Sound familiar?

 

RE: and the current trends dont worry you

My view is that we are competing for better players but so are fellow Championship clubs.

We have gone from being one of the better payers in our league to competing with teams with greater resources like Coventry, Leicester, Hull etc etc.

I still believe we will have additional signings before kick off and I also think we will stay up.

Who said things were going to be easy?

 

If we go with what we've got

Then we're in big trouble . I don't think we will and I don't think we are .

 

RE: read the line above the question

Dennis </p>

Agreed</p>

Doyle</p>

Agreed</p>

Lewis </p>

Agreed except anyone can have big plans but if no money not possible.</p>

Ridsdale</p>

Took too many gambles for a big team ask our friends up the M1.</p>

Sheppard</p>

So football isn't a business ?? </p>

Pay too much lose money go bust.</p>

 

RE: The Problem Is ........

I think that it depends on whether or not we are in dire straights come xmas. There appears to be an inhability by both shepherd and Ritchie to view the wider picture and while the club can do without the P.R. type of chairman we can nevertheless do without someone who has an extreme mentality like the one I view in shepherd.

 

RE: Good to see Gordon has another fan on here , as well as the Big Lils

Agreed.

 

The Money Issues..

Should not be there, every one who can add up can clearly see that Mr Shepherds comments that the club will only be a million pounds better off than last season is absolutely untrue!!. the facts are that the club will come out with around 2.8 million this season so this "inflexible view" which is scaring off players who are opting for lower league clubs is strange to say the least, footballers agents talk to each other and the view out there of Barnsley is that the wage structure is what you expect a Yeovil town or peterborough utd to pay so Mr Shepered without speaking to Agents has actually been extremely Proactive in putting people off before speaking to the club.
I believe we are able to offer a further 700k a year in wages which would attract more players and consolidate us in this League.
In addition if the Premier League gets its way and reduces its size by a further 2 clubs in 2007/8 season then that can only benefit the championship for more finacial rewards in the future.