I dont understand this Eduardo ban

I don't understand it either

The referee saw the incident and dealt with it at the time by awarding a penalty. Under FIFA's own rules as quoted to me by the FA on the telephone that decision cannot be overturned.

 

I wonder if they're trying to make a distinction between 'attempting' to deceive the referee and actually getting away with it. I.E. if the foul play is detected and punished in the match the ramifications are not as bad (i.e. they don't get the penalty kick, score the goal etc etc) so a yellow card is given on the spot. If however the player successfully convinces the referee to award a penalty etc under circumstances of simulation - the deception is complete, the penalty is scored - the damage is worse. So subsequently the player is penalised after the game and given a more severe penalty.

That could be - but probably isn't - what it is.

 

it's a disgrace

end of

 

RE: I don't understand it either

They didn't overturn the ref's decision, they did him for deception based on a complaint from some bleating Scottish FA Celtic supporting official who will vote to re-elect Platini when the time comes.

 

That sounds like what it is but again I refer back to what the FA told me

FIFA's rules state that it is the intention that gets punished and not the result. With Morgan they said that it didn't matter that Hume suffered a serious head injury because it was the intention that had to be punished and not whether or not he was successful in injuring someone. With a dive then using the same logic it would be the intention to decieve a referee that gets punished and not whether you are successful. ie if the punishment for diving and not being successful is a yellow card then using their own rules the punishment for diving and being successful must also be a yellow card

 

They did overturn the decision

The ref saw eduardo fall on the floor and addressed the issue by giving a penalty. They have now overturned that decision and decided the referee was wrong to give a penalty and should have done eduardo for diving.

They can't claim that the referee missed the incident because if he never saw it he couldn't have given a penalty could he. He gave a penalty and therefore he dealt with eduardo going to ground at the time. FIFA cannot overturn that decision yet they have done because it was a big club on TV

 

RE: That sounds like what it is but again I refer back to what the FA told me

I think the distinction that they would draw between the two incidents is that in the first incident (morgan) the player committed a foul and was given a sanction on the field of play for what he did (even though it was ridiculously inadequate - it was a sanction corresponding to his actions/intentions etc). In the second incident (the lad from Arsenal) was not penalised for what he did - he was actually rewarded because he had conned the ref. So although the referee made a judgement at the time and dealt with the situation as he saw fit - giving a sanction - that sanction did not address the actual foul play. The player got away with his simulation. The judgement that the referee gave clearly has stood because the penalty was given and arsenal scored from it. it cannot be overturned. UEFA have then gone back into the game, reviewed the circumstances surrounding the penalty, identified a foul that wasn't penalised at the time (simulation) and they have addressed that after the game (with a ban). The distinction is a fine one - particularly if you're Ian Hume or Chris Morgan - but i think that's what FIFA would argue.

 

slow news week

in champs league..... will be chip paper in 2 weeks

 

RE: They did overturn the decision

The UEFA Official on Sky Sports said they would not alter the penalty decision by the ref,the goal and score stands but the rule under which Eduardo was charged relates to decieving an official,which they say he did.The problem being that in any one game of football there are dozens of incidents where players decieve the ref.If every player that feigned injury to try and stop the game(as happened in the same match with a Celtic player) or dived to get a foul, was charged and got a two match ban,most clubs wouldn't have enough players to play the games after a couple of weeks.

 

I think the descrepancy can be explained by

pointing out that FIFA isn't run by a group of brain surgeons, astro-physicists and professors of stoichiometry is it. They're a bunch of plebs who haven't really thought things through to that amount of detail. Would you trust them to build a Kinder Surprise toy?

 

surely anything that discourages diving is a good thing

the ease with which players go down in the premier league is starting to make it far less enjoyable imo. It is a contact sport after all.