I thought Cameron stated that no taxpayers money would be spent....

...campaigning for the EU referendum. Now they are spending over £9m of ...err... 'taxpayers money' sending out leaflets to every home laying out the ...err "facts"". The 'IN' faction are not allowed the same facility using taxpayers funds.

Besides the fact that, once again he has lied, Cameron has timed this well to deflect from the scandal relating to the offshore tax haven scandal that has landed on his doorstep.

Furthermore a quick glance at the 'facts', looking at the media reports showing the booklet suggests they are not 'facts' at all but merely Government propaganda. I say this because I saw the words...."may" and "could" on at least two of the pages. So not facts at all then. Therefore, this is just another example of propaganda and fear mongering and using our tax money.

The disinformation and fearmongering coming from government (even if they are right) suggests they are more interested in preserving the status quo and big businesses and banks are doing the same.

Whilst it is a leap in the dark to leave, the more I hear the more I think the Government and business case for staying is not as strong as they would have us believe or they would not have to resort to these tactics. In any case, what we have now, and what would happen if we vote 'IN' (Merkel etc would take it as a clear mandate to carry on as usual and head towards a Federal Europe.

For that reason I am inclined towards OUT. I really hope we are not taken in by the underhand methods of this Government.

 

I'm very much an 'IN' voter, but agree this pamphlet thing is an unwarranted use of taxpayers' money.

 

Ridiculous waste of taxpayers money.

 

Absoltely no criticism in any way but I would be interested to know what your reasons are for favouring 'IN' ,as, I am certainly not confident enough in my own choice (OUT) to try to dissuade anyone from voting 'IN' nor encourage then to vote OUT.

Sadly, my reasons to vote 'OUT' are, I suppose, 'negatives' rather than having positive facts being based mainly on dissatisfaction with the status quo and a complete mistrust of EU accountability and everything big business / politicians and banks are saying, particularly their lack of positives and simply using a 'fear factor' to put their argument. The 'OUT' side are not a lot better and I really wish it were otherwise since I could then make a decision based on real facts rather than suppositions. It worries me that the IN side seem so cocksure of the disaster that awaits if we leave when non-one really knows.

Is your choice based on personal circumstances i.e. how it would impact you, your business, family etc or are you relying on information from other sources to choose or is it a case of 'better the devil you know'?

I just hope people try to get as many 'opinions' as they can from both sides of the fence and all the issues rather than relying on one source (e.g. ' the Redtops') and/or one issue e.g. immigration, farming, employment or sovereignty to make a decision.

 

A complete waste of money (our money) to peddle opinion. All we want is a document listing facts for both sides of the debate and we get this piece of worthless *****. I believe they are only doing it because they are rattled by the out campaign and I hope this underhanded tactic backfires on them.

 

I received a leaflet through the door yesterday that had in big letters “The Facts about the EU”, yet when reading through it was biased toward the leaving camp.
I had to closely check all over before I found in the very smallest of print that it was from the Leave campaign, yet it was clearly intended to look like a completely neutral, independent list of facts.

 

I don't want Cameron's propaganda, and his ******** will be returned to 10 Downing Street, for him to stick up his a....

 

As I said in my OP neither side has given us 'facts' nor will they.

My main gripe was that Cameron had promised NOT to use taxpayers money for campaigning but has sent out a document in the Government's name purporting to be "the facts" and which are nothing of the sort and nor the views of the whole cabinet or government. Whilst the document you received may well fall into the category of 'propoganda' at least it has not been produced at the expense of the taxpayer or pretends to be from HM Government.

 

Out of interest, have you actually seen this document at all?

 

It is impossible to discuss facts because everything is speculation. There is no way to be certain what the future will bring. If you believe we can make it work vote out.

 

I saw a couple of pages on a BBC internet news report and saw afew paragraphs which contained word like may and could. there have also been a few quotes bandied about by journalists.

We already have the sort of scaremongering from a previous Cameron statement...

"The Government judges that it could result in ten years or more of uncertainty as the UK unpicks our relationship with the EU, and renegotiates new arrangements with the EU and over 50 other countries around the world."

Even if true the banking collapse was 2008 and we have had 8 years of uncertainty already and no real upturn for most people with more austerity to come according to GO.

 

As are most MP's

 

All the campaigning in the world wouldn't make me change my mind to vote to remain. Right wing Tories, Farage, IDS , Boris, ugh no thanks. I know Cameron and Osborne are in the remain camp, but for different reasons though.

 

It's not taxpayers money, it's a bit of loose change they found in an account in the Cayman Islands

 

You have a point and make it well.

 

We were told when Britain had to withdraw from the ERM the country was going to suffer,inflation was going to go through the roof,there would be no growth,unemployment was going to rise,the exact opposite happened. It was the same thing when they introduced the euro,Britain not joining was going to be a disaster,the poor man of Europe at best, and again the opposite has happened. I don`t have the slightest doubt Britain out of Europe will see the country prosper,the shackles of this sick super state will be gone,allowing us the trade as we want,not having to pour millions each day in to keep a few people living the life they have become accustomed to living without answering to anyone.
And the main reason to get the hell out of this cesspit is just who is running the country?Europe is like John Smiths bitter,why the hell is it still here........

 

I began my working career at British Steel Corporation in 1971, I left as Tata took hold in 2009. It was always stated that we were never on a level playing field with the rest of Europe and the government stated they could do nothing about it. We were being stifled by Europe. High energy costs are not what's wanted with electric steel making. In 2009 we were struck with the high cost of steel scrap. China were buying all the scrap steel and driving up the price. Why were they buying the scrap? They were on a campaign of building new steel making plants so no surprise what's happening today.

As I see this as a fact of being in Europe, I'm out.

 

It was the British Government that blocked EU protecting the Steel Industry but hey ho.

 

That's exactly right, a Britain inside Europe does not support manufacturing.

 

I suspect as the Tories decimated our manufacturing industry they have little or no interest in supporting rhe manufacturing industry whether in or out of the EU.