I'm bored of hearing/reading Peter Herbert's name

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20315169

 

Me too, he's nothing more than a self-serving trouble maker.

 

Your opinion, he's a well respected Judge and lawyer within his profession

 

So you consider the plans for a black players union and his recent complaint to the police based entirely on hearsay (by his own admission) to be good for the game in general do you?

 

I'm pretty ambivalent about a black players union tbh, I can see arguments for and against it. It would be niaive to think that black players do not face different issues to white players, so I see how that could be helpful. On the otherhand the phrase divide and conquor springs to mind.

On the other point I think he's trying to get football to stop thinking it can deal with all disciplinary acts internally if they go beyond the realms of what is legal. A case in point would be punching someone. Do it in a pub and it's a criminal offence, do it at Oakwell in front of 8,000 witnesses and you'd get a 3 match ban and no legal action unless it's reported by a spectator at which point it would be dealt with as a criminal offence. Is football really above the law? I think he was trying to back the FA into a corner, such that if they took disciplinary action against Clattenburg for racist comments, legal action would follow, rather than be dealt with internally.

 

A well respected lawyer maybe - but the fact is that the irony that he belongs to a fundamentally racist organisation, and wants to create another, seems completely lost on him.

The society of black lawyers - only black lawyers allowed? How's that not racist?

A black players only breakaway union in football? Just the same.

The man is a sanctimonious, odious bafoon who is hiding behind a banner of 'racism' to take advantage of football players who appear not to have the intellect to know any better. All to line his own pockets - under the idiotic notion that he's trying to combat racism.

How can a new union which readily excludes people from joining based on race assist with racism?

Listen to John Barnes. Listen to Clarke Carlyle.

I don't condone racism or any kind of prejudice but trying to combat it by separating your race from others is nothing but laughable.

 

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So you are saying that the Black Lawyers Society's constitution excludes white lawyers and the proposed black players union , something that doesn't exist yet,does the same for white players. Can you post a link to prove that?

 

It doesn't have to specifically exclude them for it to be racist. The KKK didn't have any rules specifically banning black people from joining but it was definitely racist.

Fathers for justice doesn't ban mothers from joining either but it isn't for them is it.

 

It's not racist. It's design is to put forward issues that affect black players more than white and fight for change.

The point is that the PFA/FA are white male dominated organisations - if a black organisation is created with the brief to try and stamp out racism from the game and promote black/ethnic players and coaches what's so bad about it?

 

Well done to him for trying shake up the fa and the self governance and old tie brigade but hasnt he also tried to stop spurs fans chanting the "Y" word at their own mathces?

 

What % of the country are ethnic/black? How's that compare to representation in non-playing 'football jobs'? They are certainly well represented in playing roles but I am aware that's different.

 

From the 2001 census (the most up to date one giving the data) just 2% of the population is black. 2 black managers out of 92 clubs = 2.17%. They are represented almost perfectly in the game aren't they?

 

Statistics hmmm. The percentage of black players in the game will be more than 2% I would have thought and the percentage of black managers should be similar.

 

Will ledley king be allowed to join after all he is on YouTube dishing some choice comments out to some door staff...

 

But lots of the foreign players are black. When they retire, they go home/elsewhere so you can't really use that. Only the British really stick around. I can't think of any foreigners who retired and then became a manager here, black or white, except maybe Zola.

And besides, the [/all] players now earn so much that they don't have to go into management when they retire; only a few who have that specific interest do their coaching badges.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/18/ethnic-population-england-wales

 

Maybe those who do not take up coaching would like to, but don't because they cannot see relevant opportunities in management.