Should we realy be calling for Davey's sacking. Two games lost em both, Pre season games a bit of a disaster. He is obviously not a very good Man Manager and inept with regarding tactics. Despite a good cup run survived last season and the season before only by the skin of his teeth. He has made a few disapointing signings In his favour he is new to the 'Management' scene He is enthusiastic He has bought some decent players May have a long term plan for the club Proved with the Cup Run he can motivate the team to win, against all odds. The solution is staring us in the face, keep him but get in an experienced head on a one year contract to help him out.
a lot of people have suggested getting someone experienced in to give Simon some guidance, but he seems to want to ptove that he's very much his own man. Do you really think he's going to accept someone coming in and giving him advice from above? I'm not saying that what you've suggested is a bad idea in principal, far from it. I just don't see it working, that's all.
Depends if he was given the option of an experienced Director of Football or the sack, what would you and I choose ???
It's a terrible idea Let managers manage. If he's not good enough then sack him and get someone in who is, but don't get two people to do one job.
RE: It's a terrible idea In theory, it's not that bad an idea, it's just that in practice it rarely, if ever seems to work. I mean, what exactly does a "director of football" actually do?
What You Forget I have spent time in the presence of the man in press conferences and on the perpherals of conversations with other "football" proffesionals, and when i say that he is so single minded in his own ideas would be an understatement. He will not listen to others and the more he is challenged the more he thinks he is better than any other alternative. I have said before he would not accept any one in to advise him, Ryan Kidd is a "yes " man and this is clearly visisble when the 2 are together. Patrick Cryne as far and as much as he has done for thye club will be "all for nothing" if this man is allowed to continue and i say this having watch the team home and away. As for the comment of motivating the team for a cup run then that has got to be the MOST ridicilous statement EVER, Players need NO motivation for high profile cup games, any manager will tell you that...
RE: What You Forget I agree the players should not need motivation for the big cup games we won. There was, however, a lot of carefully thought tactics involved that were successful and should at least proved that games can be won using these. But he seems to go to pieces in the league and use a different 'game plan' and it does'nt work
RE: What You Forget that's certainly the impression I've been getting from afar, a kind of siege mentality - the more people try to advise him, the more he sees it as personal criticism and sticks to his (often misguided) guns.
well Row x I thought that was an excellent post and to add to the Kidd situation,we who attend training sessions, on the banking next to the training ground are able to listen to almost every word spoken and we, colectively, have said that if Kidd had spoken to us in the manner which he adresses the players, he would get a smacking(given our ages and basing it on our former years) Kidd is the most foul mouthed person I have ever witnessed while in charge of men. Every other word is F...ing This, You F..ing useless bast .This is how Kidd speakes to the players. I can't say that I've heard Davey use the same abuse but, his authoritativeness gives the impression that he's talking down to them.
I've heard more than once that Davey and Kidd talk down to the players like they are about 5 years old and belittle them in front of the rest of the team. The times I have been to watch them train I have certainly not been impressed with their attitudes. They are talking to grown men for goodness sake, not a bunch of school kids. and woe betide anyone who tries to put their point across or make any passing judgement! you are not allowed your own opinions if you are in daveys team!
Key Board fans perspective I know the team performance is a very emotive subject on here and people do get hostile and agitated when there view is questioned, but as fans have stated who have seen training, Davey is a control freak and that is a fact, now some people and players may respond to that but i would say that most of the seasoed proffesionalls like Kozluk, Johnson and Macken have experience of working and playing with Succesful squads and quite rightly want to bring their experiences to the club, unfortunately Davey will NOT allow this and that is why there has been fall outs.Jon Macken however is deemed by Davey as a "untouchable" due to the fact that Davey was with him at Preston. Anthony Kay was forced out of the club purely beacuase he said to Davey that he was taking the club backwards and if you have ever met Kay there is not a more passionate player and fan of the club, Davey did not want to know, Kay hates Davey with a passion.. So there you have it weather you like it or not there is only PC who can sort this mess out, but will he have the bottle.. i dont think so As much as i dont like to see people lose their jobs, in this case its simple, we stick with Davey, and go backwards, or we make fresh start with a tried and tested manager, and as PC has said there is money available so thye likes of Billie Davies would be iinterested in coming to the club.
what you say is very interesting..... ...if true. Care to divulge your sources? I'm not saying that I don't believe you, as what you write seems very feasible given the current circumstances, I'm just curious.
So what you're saying is he should be made an assistant manager?? regards your "in his favour" points: "He has bought some decent players" is contradicted above with "He has made a few disapointing signings " "May have a long term plan for the club" I should bloody think he has, if he's working on the old managers cliche of one game at a time then he wants removing now!!!! "Proved with the Cup Run he can motivate the team to win, against all odds." is again contradicted with "He is obviously not a very good Man Manager and inept with regarding tactics." he is stubborn, clueless and arrogant and his attributes will be his downfall and if left in the role too long, ours also.
Interesting post Some tasty meat in there. I would say though that if I was manager and Kay said to me that I was taking the club backwards, I'd have cleared him out too. There's feedback and there's out-and-out disrespect. Suggesting possible beneficial amendments to tactics and training, okay, saying he's taking the club backwards... what the chuff. This thread has brought out some understandable concerns about the need to talk to the players as adults yet on another day under other circumstances, we'd all be saying that over-paid, jumped up, primadonna footballers should be kept in their place at all times. It's a fine line.
