International players in the Premeirship......

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  1. Young Nudger

    Young Nudger Well-Known Member

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    ....shows clearly that England players are some of the best in the world
    We can compare some of the best players in the world with our own English players now
    This wasn't always the case - it's a resent phenomenon
    Not that long ago there were hardly any foreign players in English football - so when England lost there was always the excuse that foreign leagues and players were better than ours
    That excuse doesn't exists now
    Which makes the current failures even more perplexing to understand
     
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    All the good ones aren't English. It's that simple.
     
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    I cannot take anything you post seriously anymore and automatically assume all your posts are wind ups.
     
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    Our players are overpaid and success isn't required to earn their money any more. For a lot of them it's all a big laugh and they are more interested in raising their profile on social media and in the media in general with regular game show appearances, advertisements and sponsorships. The focus has gone from winning games to making money by any means.

    There is also the issue that they have very little respect for those who pay their wages (us) because their wages are so high that they do not see a £300 season ticket as being even a contributing factor to their wages. They seem to think the money comes from thin air. With that lack of respect and appreciation comes a lack of effort as they don't think they owe anybody anything.
     
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    They only look good playing in the same team as better foreign players, many frailties masked which are exposed in international matches. We just aren't that good at football.
     
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    Those England players also play AGAINST players like Eden Hazard and David Silva and all the rest
    And the England players in the Premeirship come out looking good
    Hence the reason for the high expectations for this tournament
    So point is - why do they struggle in the national side against sometimes Championship level players
     
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    How many are good enough to play for Bayern Munich, Paris SG, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc.? It would appear none.
     
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    I think it's probably the TV money that pays their salary .... that said, even more reason why they have little respect for the fans.
     
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    It doesn't work like that.
    Barcelona have probably the best forward line up in the world..........how many of those 3 are Spanish?
    But Spain have won far more in the last few years than us.
     
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    And have some Spanish superstars playing with them. Or aren't you counting those, as it dispels your argument.
     
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    There's approximately 34-36% of English players starting for Premierleague clubs on any given weekend during the season.
    So if there are 220 players who start games then that means around 75 are English. So Roy has to pick 23 players from 75. That's a shocking number.

    So when he gets blamed for picking unfit players or shoe-horning the betting players to fit his system, he really doesn't have many options.
     
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    so if you're and English player who regularly starts in the PL you have a 30% chance of being in the squad and a 14% chance of being in the XI.
    I'd love to see the comparative figures for Spain and Germany.
     
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    How many English players are good enough to play at those clubs. None. Gareth Bale is the only world class player from Britain that's why he plays for a world class team.
     
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    He doesn't have to pick players based on who they play for though which is what he and the other England managers have done
     
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    The manager has gone, so there is no point continuing the abuse of Hodgson. And yet, the appetite for blood has not yet been satiated. Who shall we turn on next. I know... the players.

    Like everyone else, I watched the game yesterday. I watched most of the second half through the gaps in my fingers, because my hands were holding my face for the most part. But I did not conclude at any moment that the problem was that the players did not care, or that they are overpaid. On the contrary, I concluded that they probably cared too much, that they froze and because of that. They could not even do the simple things, the things that they do every Saturday, week in and week out. Of course they are used to pressure. It comes with the job. But they were playing for England, they were playing for a manager who had lost the plot and they did not understand how the system was supposed to work. By the end, we were fielding 4 forwards and had a centre back doing the same job. The plot had been well and truly lost.

    England's problems began with the choice of the squad. We did not have a forward who was different. A forward like Andy Carroll who offered height in the box. A forward who, if everything else went pear-shaped, would offer us a quick way to get into the penalty box. A sure fire way of putting inferior opponents, who offer very little other than work rate, deep defence and the ability to close down space, under pressure in their own box.

    Hodgson gave them a system that included a defensive midfield player. Now such a player is needed against a team that intends to come at us, or play possession football. Against teams that are content with survival it is a waste. Even allowing for this error, we could have coped with the right players in the right positions. But come on, Surridge on the right side, supposedly providing the width, and just one forward who was not interested in playing up against the opposition central defenders and little support for him from central midfield. How could that work?

    The players who did let us down were in defence, and John Stones value must have gone through the roof, simply because he is blameless for the disaster. Joe Hart looked stiff and nervy. He does not look the same player as he did three years ago. Yes the players are not faultless, but in my view, the loin's share of the blame lies with Hodgson.
     
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    Kane and Vardy managed 49 league goals against some of the best defenders money can buy. How about 4-4-2? Nah, too obvious isn't it.
     

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