Is it time to look at THE BIGGER PICTURE

I didn't go to Rochdale - and because of other commitments I didn't go to the home match against Shrewsbury.
But I am taking note of the response on here with regard to these two matches.

And my opinion is this - surely everybody who has watched Barnsley over the last 10 years expects to see performances like we saw against Everton, followed by games like Rochdale.
This is what happens when a new manager and a new squad is thrown together.

Expect performances like this up until Christmas, until hopefully the players and manager find a winning formula - and if that doesn't happen, then expect Lee Johnsone, through no fault of his own, to have got the sack.

This Magic Roundabout way of managing a football club has been going on ever since Pat Cryne took over as owner - that is to say - throwing everything including the baby out with the bath water.

NOTHING is being built at Barnsley from one season to the next. A successful team stays with the manager and brings in 4 or 5 new players every season to improve the squad.
An unsuccessful club throws out the manager and sacks the players every 18 months - prime example is Barnsley.

We have had a steady stream of good managers (including Micky Mellon) at the club since Pat Cryne took over.

Its no good blaming Lee Johnson or the players - what we need is for Pat Cryne to look at the longer term BIGGER PICTURE

 

Can't see any pictures.

 

In the grand scheme of things perhaps it's time for PC to step aside.
And before anybody starts that is not a criticism!

 

And replace with who? And for what reason cos we haven't got off to a flying start with a new squad

 

Fully understand your post
But something has to change higher up the chain if Lee Jay fails

 

Good post we have had some good managers under Patrick's time. I would have been happy had micky melon got the job, we now have Lee Jay and can't go on sacking it's getting us no where season after season.

 

Reight, so then what? I doubt he'd just give the club away, so we'd need a buyer. Is there anyone amongst us on this forum who could chip in, financially, in fact, would anyone even want to?

Say for example enough reds supporters decided they'd be up for doing it, some kind of supporter buyout, then what? We'd have to seriously cut our cloth I'm sure. By all accounts, despite our big gates in this division, and having got rid of all the big earning players and recruited cheaper players, as well as the youth loanees etc, Mr Cryne is still having to pump money in himself every year, a million pounds was it? The academy costs a pretty penny to run, you've the likes of Linton Brown and his team to pay, Ben Mansford won't be on minimum wage, does Maurice take home a salary? Then you've the management staff, media team, police bills, catering, exec staff, Barry Taylor's biscuits, etc etc etc.

How would we be able to afford that? If our turnover, sponsorship coinage and other income (cup money, TV coin, Holgate fee etc) is only allowing us to build this current squad of loanees, non league gambles, lower league youngsters etc, then a supporter owned BFC would surely be even poorer?

I'm only putting the supporter owned suggestion out there because by all accounts there isn't another wealthy individual or consortium interested in taking over BFC.


I long for the day that someone puts forward a truly workable option that makes sense, seems doable etc. I've a feeling Mr Cryne would be all ears too.

 

I think I just worry for us with out cryne tbh but I know what your saying so many bad to average season I keep telling my self we are due a good one.

 

It's early days and we may well suprise everyone ( wishful thinking)
But if the selection process keeps failing then we have to looker at the bigger picture.

 

I've been saying for sometime now that Mr Cryne should fulfil what he set out to do - and that's find a new owner that is capable of taking the club forward.

However, this post isn't about that - its about the directors, Mr Cryne et al, taking a longer view of how the club should be managed.

Lee Johnson has in the past produced a team that has held its own with very little financial backing - he has come to Barnsley, a club with more potential and more financial backing to make a success of it.

Lee Johnson should be able to do that - given time.

But is he going to be allowed to do that?..........or is he going to be another manager that is throw away.........to be replaced by another manager who will subsequently change all the squad again.

Its just one vicious circle...............it needs to stop.

A successful club is built like building a house.............start with the foundations and build a layer of bricks at a time.

Even big clubs, for example Man United, fail when they go for the quick fix.
Its going to take a few seasons to build even that team back up to where they were just a few seasons ago.

 

If im not mistaken......and i stand to be corrected....but isnt it only the team thats for sale the ground and the surrounding area belongs to joint ownship with PC and bsly council, thats the reason no one as offered to buy BFC....in one sense it stops anyone racking up debts by using the land to secure loans or even selling the land and running the club into the ground but at the same time any buyer could find themselves locked out of oakwell by the landlords.....coventry middlesborough being examples

 

You're not asking the most important question: Why is Barnsley FC so much more expensive to run than the majority of other clubs in this division, because that's what you're suggesting is the case if we need the cash input of a benefactor to survive but other clubs with a smaller turnover do not. Without knowing why, no one can give a solution.

 

No point asking that question on here, because as you say, we don't know the answer.

We'd need something that outlines every spend, every income, salaries etc etc etc.

 

But without knowing that, we can't say we'd struggle without Mr Cryne. Not that any one of us could afford to buy him out, but that's a different argument to the one that says we need his money to operate.

 

When Patrick Cryne says he'd be willing to hand the club over to the fans , hes talking about BFC the team side of things.
If anyone thinks he'd hand his share of the land and ground over they're barking mad.

 

IMO the only way he will be sacked is if he takes us down to the basement division, or looks likely to do that. I think this one is in for the long term.

 

Probably because we sack our management team and overhaul the squad every 18 months would be my guess Jay.

That and we have consistently failed to achieve market value for our best players, which, over time takes it's toll.

Wonder how much of Cryne's money we would 'need' if the two points above were addressed? Two things that are firmly within Cryne's ability to control

 

I believe you are correct. But it is also my understanding that the football ground itself is covered by a covenant that stops any one from doing anything but having a football ground at Oakwell. The carparks etc.. are outside of this covenant so can be developed but the ground would always be safe. I personally prefer this formula as it stops asset strippers buying us as was the case when PC stepped in. We are not in the same position as Coventry etc.. due to the way PC had the trust document written. He has guarenteed football at Oakwell in ours and our childrens lifetime and further.

Lets not be nieve Barnsley is not an affluent area, is surrounded by bigger cities we are lucky to have PC and not some lunatic italian

 

What do you mean by 'as was the case when PC stepped in'?

 

Perhaps when the next forum he's part of comes around, someone could perhaps ask him some of the questions raised in the thread.