is suicide the easy way out?

It may seem so to a disturbed mind. at the time.

To a non disturbed mind, no.
No problem is unsurmountable
A disturbed mind will never see a way out of his/her problems which is very sad.

 

Depends whats on the other side.

 

No - far from it

It is extremely difficult. Anyone who has been there will know.</p>

But there are alternatives, and there is help available that people should not be afraid to take.</p>

 

?

I would have thought that the vast majority who had been there and decided to go for it would be beyond offering advice.</p>

A mate of mine went for it with 50 Ibuprofen. I called the ambulance and he survived.</p>

Resented me for it at the time. Think he will see it in a different light now though as his life has turned around.</p>

Easy, selfish way out I say.</p>

 

RE: ?

I cannot imagine how anyone could even think about using the word 'selfish' in that context.</p>

 

RE: ?

Insofar as showing no concern for anyone else other than the self.</p>

Insofar as caring not enough for friends/parents/children left to pick up the pieces.</p>

Selfish &amp; cowardly by definition. IMHO.</p>

 

That's ok

You continue live with that notion then, blissfully unaware of the realities that bear no relation to the &quot;selfishness&quot; you are obviously convinced is the root cause of such situations.</p>

Why should I or anyone else try to convince you otherwise.</p>

 

RE: ?

thank **** your life is perfect then

 

Blissfully unaware?

Tha'r on drugs.</p>

Whatever the root cause.</p>

 

50 Ibuprofen sounds like acry for help not a suicide attempt.

A guy in my house at Uni &quot;went for it&quot; with about 100 Tesco Hedex pills. </p>

He called the ambulance himself , seemed like he was attention seeking to the rest of us in the house. He was back from the Hospital before any of us went in for lectures the next morning.</p>

We have had to pretend that we didnt know he had &quot;tried to kill&quot; himself since.</p>

 

Cant complain

But like many other people I have had dark days/weeks/months.</p>

Most people go through periods of self doubt and challenging situations and get over it.</p>

Few problems or challenges are insurmountable and are often fleeting.</p>

Humans have a tendency to visualise some problems the magnitude of a match into a supernova.</p>

 

Thee tek em' on top of 10 pints - see if tha weks up in t'morn!

 

He's right though, to a degree

It is a selfish thing to do because it is making a decision that will affect a lot of people and cannot be reversed without them having any say on the matter.</p>

It clearly causes a lot of pain and anguish for many people (friends, family, and their friends, the person that finds the body, everyone that has to deal with it) and it is because one person decided that THEY couldnt take it anymore and killed themselves. Is it fair that other people should have to suffer just to end one person's suffering? Of course not.</p>

But, and its a big but, if somebody gets to the stage where they're seriously considering it then they are clearly so depressed, down and cant think of any alternative and so they can't think rationally about the effect it'd have on others so they aren't deliberatly being 'selfish', they think that nobody would miss them and although we all know that people WOULD miss them, they cannot see that because of the place they are in at the time so they aren't being conciously selfish at all, even if their actions are (by definition) selfish at the end of the day.</p>

There are people who think that the world would be a better place without them. Again, their act is selfish by definition but there are no selfish thoughts going through their mind when they make the decision. They might see pain that things that they do are causing loved ones and think (wrongly) that the only way to stop the people they love from having to suffer this pain any longer is if they kill themselves and stop it. They are wrong with what they think but they can't see that so no that isn't selfish, at least it isnt intended that way by the person involved.</p>

None of these people are taking the easy way out, it's a very hard decision to make and most of the time (not all) they are doing it because things have got so bad in their life that they can't see any other way to stop the terrible pain that they feel every day or to stop the suffering of others. But there are ways, ways that people can help them to see which in the long run would be a far better solution for everyone, they just need to know the right people to talk to.</p>

But then there are people that really are selfish and taking the easy way out. Those that have been sent to prison and rather than having to serve their time they kill themselves instead. They do it purely to save themself from any suffering and dont care about anyone else or the pain that they cause, its all about me, me ,me to them.</p>



So yes, it is selfish by definition because it does cause a lot of pain to a lot of people but very rarely are the people that do it in any frame of mind or place to be able to see the selfish aspect of it. They aren't selfish people, the act isnt conciously selfish, just a really bad choice when people can't see an alternative.</p>

 

good stuff

While I stand by my proposition, suicide is often preceded by a collapse of logic.</p>

 

RE: Cant complain

*****

 

whatever tha thinks

<font face="times new roman,times,serif">Think it over when tha sober.</font></p>

 

RE: whatever tha thinks

i have felt like this for 3 months its not like something i have thought u know what life is ****, i had a friend who killed himself when i was younger and i never understood his mentality until now, its hard losing something u created without ever seeinhg them, then losing the one person you loved with all your heart for the last 6 years around xmas and your birthday

 

Look fatha

I am just saying that things are never as bad as you think they are.</p>

My partner had a miscarriage earlier this year so I know where you are coming from but life should go on.</p>

You never know what is around the corner and never will unless you get there.</p>

A few months and you will look upon things in a different light.</p>

At 26 you have most of your life to look forward to, good times, bad times, promotion, relegation etc! </p>

Chin Up.</p>

 

Some perspective here

http://www.barnsleyfc.org.uk/bbs/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=14