Is there a dearth of local football talent ?

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  1. JLWBigLil

    JLWBigLil Well-Known Member

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    This is the first season that I can remember when there has been no home produced players in the first team squad.Over the years, we've not only had a steady flow of players from the youth setup to the first team, but these players were also amongst the most talented available for selection to the manager, too. For example :-
    Tommy Taylor, Arthur Kaye, Duncan Sharp, Eric Brookes, Eric Winstanley, Alan Hill, Pat Howard, David Booth, Stewart Barrowclough, Phil Chambers, Mick Pickering, Anton Otulakowski, Martin Gorry, Mick McCarthy, Ian Banks, Andy Rhodes, David Hirst, Steve Agnew, Carl Tiler, Andy Liddell, Nicky Eaden, Dave Watson, Adie Moses, Scott Jones, Chris Morgan.
    Not only that, but other clubs used to tap into this rich seam of talent on a regular basis, but apparently are no longer able to do so. Off the top of my head, I can think of :-
    Everton (Gordon West), Leeds United (Jimmy Greenhoff), Manchester United (Mark Jones, Brian Greenhoff), Sheffield United (Alan Woodward), Wolverhampton Wanderers (Steve Daley, Alan Sunderland). I'm sure other posters can think of more examples.
    This all leads to me ask whether the Academy is at fault when producing potential first team stars, or (in light of the lack of local Barnsley area talent at other clubs) whether the local talent still exists?
     
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    Would they get played if the academy was producing?????? It seems like Simon Davey doesn't want local lads in the team either that or he was just **** as academy manager.
     
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    Butterfield and Potter? nt
     
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    RE: Butterfield and Potter? nt

    How many games have they played since Davey took over? Both were breaking through under Ritchie along with a few others who now seem to have vanished into the doldrums of the reserves or been got rid of.
     
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    Good post this..............

    Yer right...........it would be good to have Barnsley boys in the squad but would this be at the expense of the success of the first team ???
    I would rather have success than stick to home grown talent........but it would be great to have both
    Obviously all the Premeirship clubs take the same veiw when you look at the lack of English players
     
  6. JLWBigLil

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    I can't see any manager

    Failing to select the likes of Pat Howard, Mick McCarthy or David Hirst (for example) in favour of less talented players on the premise that they're local. We simply haven't been producing the standard of talented locally born players we did in the past.
     
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    Isn't Kozluk from Barnsley
     
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    I think you miss the point Nudge

    Its not a case of picking Barnsley lads just because they're local, its a case of picking them because they are good enough. JLWBL is making a point that there aren't any good enough
     
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    Are they talented enough to replace current first teamers ?

    I'm not saying they're not. But it's sad that there appears to be such a dearth of local talent coming through of a high enough standard.
     
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    Are you joking?

    Davey started Potter for his first game against West Brom, not Ritchie. And Butterfield has only just started coming through the ranks as he's only about 17/18.
     
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    Correct

    No club seems to have unearthed any gems from our area for quite some time, not just Barnsley.
     
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    Well, who knows?

    Atkinson came in and did well last season but he's off at Grimsby, and he'll probably be staying there.
     
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    RE: I can't see any manager

    I agree that we don't seem to be producing but why is that is it that there just isn't the talent or is it that we aren't encouraging them or there isn't the opportunities here?
     
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    Theres also the argument that racing improves the breed.

    If they never get the chance to test their mettle we'll never know. I think a quota for every League team would be interesting. At least two first team squad players other than the goaliewithin 20 miles of the club say...
     
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    That's what I'm asking

    If it's just us as a club that failing to find the talent, why isn't it emerging at other clubs either?
     
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    The academy system is weighted in favour of the rich clubs.

    Beckham hasn't exactly got a Mancunian accent, but he's often touted as a product of Man Utd's academy. Look at all the foreign 'academy' talent coming through Arsenal's ranks.

    Basically, if you're really, really good at a young age, you'll get picked up by a bigger - even foreign - club and they'll circumvent the 'radius area' rule by relocating the entire family if necessary.

    Sadly, this means clubs like ours are usually left with the players nobody else wants.
     
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    Its tougher at the top

    If we were still in League One half the team would be home grown. The reality is that Austin, Williams, Kay, Wroe, Jarman etc aren't Championship players but are making a way in the game lower down. The higher up you are the less number of players you will have breaking through
     
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    So

    Why isn't the talent from Barnsley emerging elsewhere? Does it exist?
    I'm only posing open ended questions as I don't have the answers.
     

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