Is this true??? (Just been sent this)

Can anyone solve this conundrum. By my reckoning, Crystal Palace have fielded an ineligible player 5 times in the Championship this year. Why is there no complaints being made by the other teams, or the media.



Scott Sinclair's permanent club is Chelsea, but he has been loaned out several times.


According to Soccerbase since 1 July 2007, he has played for Chelsea (Community Shield, League Cup, FA Cup and Premier League) and for QPR, Charlton and Palace (Football League). <font color="#bf0000">http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=45990</font>


The thing is that FIFA only allows a player to play for 2 different clubs between 1 July and 30 June. You can be registered with 3 different clubs, but can only actually play for 2 of them. This was the whole issue with Masch originally (which in turn led to the Tevez-gate revelations). Masch was given special dispensation, but there was never any suggestion that it would be OK to play for more than 2 clubs so long as it is on loan deals.


Presumably Palace (and Charlton) did (incorrectly) assume that loan deals are OK.

Further proof that they are wrong comes from Greece. There the title has just been awarded to Olympiacos because an opponent used a player who had played for both Falkirk and Hamilton Academical since 1 July last year. The Greek FA decided that the fact that the games for Hamilton were on loan was irrelevant. They decided that FIFA rules meant he was ineligible to play for a third club before 30 June, and penalised the club who had fielded him. <font color="#bf0000">http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/news/kind=2/newsid=686195.html</font>


The Court of Arbitration in Sport has agreed that the Greek FA's interpretation of the rules appears to be correct. There is a link to the full CAS decision here: <font color="#bf0000">http://www.tas-cas.org/recent-decision</font>


AND of course this is a FIFA rule. Therefore it should bind all associations (including the English FA). The Premier League felt bound by it as regards Masch. SO why does the Football League seem to think that the rule does not apply to Sinclair?


Now I know that Warnock is a stickler for the rules. He was certainly very keen to see West Ham penalised last season (even though, unlike Palace, they had not breached any FIFA rules).

More recently, he had a lot to say about &quot;integrity&quot; (and Rafa Benitez's alleged lack of it).

So presumably, Colin will be the first to admit that fair's fair, and a points deduction must be applied, leaving Wolves, Ipswich and Sheffield Utd to battle for the final play off spot.

Surely Colin would be happy to see Sheff U finally benefit from a points deduction?

 

I've got a terrible confession to make.

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I like Neil Warnock.</p>

There, I've said it.</p>

 

Burn him, burn him !!!!

flail him alive first, the hang, draw, chop his private members off and burn them then quarter him!!!! heretic!!!!

 

RE: I've got a terrible confession to make.

I don't like him but i think i could get to like him if he came to Oakwell. Davey out

 

RE: I've got a terrible confession to make.

Like him or loathe him, I'd be happy for him to be our manager.

 

maybe I agree

 

How come nobody noticed?

 

because no one gives a toss probably lol nt

 

Like as in

I think he's a very good football manager.

or

I wouldn't mind going out for a few bevvies with him.

If it's the latter, you're sick.

 

Probably because the rules are so complex. If they have commited some sort of offence they won't be the first and I'm sure they won't be the last either.

 

You're correct

Franck Songo'o played for Palace, Pompey and Wednesday last season. And I bet there are others

 

The rules are quite clear actually (makes a change)

But first here are a few examples of the rule being enforced in different ways.

Liverpool signed him beginning with M who's name I can't spell from West Ham in the same season that he had already played for a foreign team but FIFA ruled that because the foreign team's season was timed differently to ours it was ok. ie althought he played for them during OUR 06/07 season, it was still their 05/06 season.

Chris Cousin (i think) had played for two teams in a season and was stopped from signing for Fulham because of this.

Colin Healy (and others) were stopped from signing for irish teams because they had played for two teams in the english league (one being barnsley in his case) dispite the fact that ireland's season is the same as the Argentinian one and straddles the season's.

Finnish teams are in exactly the same position as the irish yet they ARE allowed to play players that have played for two english teams and it regularly happens (ok so not english but same thing).

And now, the rule:

source: Fifa Document; Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players
Article 5 Registrationp
3. Players may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during
one season. During this period, the player is only eligible to play
offi cial matches for two clubs. As an exception to this rule, a player
moving between two clubs belonging to associations with overlapping
seasons (i.e. start of the season in summer/autumn as opposed to
winter/spring) may be eligible to play in offi cial matches for a third
club during the relevant season, provided he has fully complied with
his contractual obligations towards his previous clubs. Equally, the
provisions relating to the registration periods (article 6) as well as to the
minimum length of a contract (article 18 paragraph 2) must be respected.

4. Under all circumstances, due consideration must be given to the
sporting integrity of the competition. In particular, a player may not
play offi cial matches for more than two clubs competing in the same
national championship or cup during the same season, subject to
stricter individual competition regulations of member associations.

Article 6 Registration periods
To save typing this out it is what we already know. Players can only sign during the transfer windows.

Article 10 Loan of professionals
1. A professional may be loaned to another club on the basis of a written
agreement between him and the clubs concerned. Any such loan is
subject to the same rules as apply to the transfer of players, including
the provisions on training compensation and the solidarity mechanism.

2. Subject to article 5 paragraph 3, the minimum loan period shall be the
time between two registration periods.

3. The club that has accepted a player on a loan basis is not entitled to
transfer him to a third club without the written authorisation of the
club that released the player on loan and the player concerned.

Article 18 Special provisions relating to contracts
between professionals and clubs

2.The minimum length of a contract shall be from its effective date until
the end of the season, while the maximum length of a contract shall
be fi ve years. Contracts of any other length shall only be permitted
if consistent with national laws. Players under the age of 18 may not
sign a professional contract for a term longer than three years. Any
clause referring to a longer period shall not be recognised.

 

Why can't the FA pick this up

All players details on computer, details of clubs/games played....should flag up when they try to change registration for a player and they are informed that they've played for maximum number of clubs and the registration is blocked.

If SI can do it then you'd think the FA could!

 

Both.

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He's an excellent football manager and a top bloke. I like a man who wears his heart on his sleeve, I like somebody who loses it now and then (especially as comically as Warnock) and I like enthusiasm. From my point of view you can get away with a lot of things as long as you're not cynical, boring and negative, you have to admit he's none of those.</p>

I'd also love it if he takes Palace up having been dumped by the Blades. </p>

 

The FA can but they have already said that FIFA's rules don't apply because the loands were 'emergency loans'. This contradicts article 5.4 which states

4. Under all circumstances, due consideration must be given to the
sporting integrity of the competition. In particular, a player may not
play official matches for more than two clubs competing in the same
national championship or cup during the same season, subject to
stricter individual competition regulations of member associations.

 

RE: Both.

Agreed.

 

Anyone who can wind Phil Thompson up so much can't be all bad. nt

 

Thank **** - I had a conversation with myself about this.

http://www.barnsleyfc.org.uk/bbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=103761&amp;mid=670197#M670197</p>

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