Isnt anyone else concerned

about the lack of academy lads in the team? Davey has decimated the squad top to bottom. In some respects the dead wood had to leave but in others i still wonder if he would have been better off not signing so many players and hanging on to one or two of the youngsters instead.
It saddens me to see Barnsley Fc with a well set up academy and having nothing to show for it in the team. These youngsters are sent on loan (probably never to return) or cant even find a place on the subs bench.
I feel like the clubs ideas seem short term rather than looking a few years down the line. Or maybe thats just the way of footy these days?

 

No nt

 

bloody hell what do you want!!! nt

Come on tell us if you had your way what would the team be, which players would be playing tomorrow

Do you want to see us struggle or are you going to get behind the team. If you were after a reaction you are surely going to get it.

Lets see Souza or Kay, Austin or Foster, Flinders or Muller, shall we keep going. At the moment we have a team to be proud of, a team playing football and you slag the club for not playing academy players...most of whom have left to lower league teams

And thinking of some older heads, Howard, McCann Devaney none of these came through the academy either

Give it a break

 

nope not at all....

when gordon shepherd is trying to get hoards through the doorpaying their hard earned brass, does he present them with a team of internationals challenging for a top six championship spot or does he give thema team partially made up of kids &quot;under development &quot; struggling at the bottom of the championship (or worse)</p>

Absolute no brainer in my opinion</p>

 

Decimated?

I'd have said had a much needed overhaul!

 

Yeh thats fine

while the results are ok. But what if we start slipping down the table and these players really dont fancy it anymore. Are you really going to get that commitment when the going gets tough?
Also how long would these players want to stay at the club. Simply put they are using our club as a stepping stone in a bid to play for a bigger club. I just wonder how much loyalty there would be.
If this is the case and noone cares about young local lads trying to break through then why do we have an academy?

 

"what if we start slipping down the table" you are talking "if's" here. We can all talk "if's". Why bother going into it in the first place - there is no guarantee that we are going to fall down the league. While things are going well, don't worry. I would much rather have quality in the team than heart. Heart doesn't win you success, quality does.

Then again I may be talking piffle.

 

I think peoples expectations are far too high regards the academy

if we get half agood un every other season we have done well. We've had several seasons where youth has had plenty of time and opportunity to come throughinto the first team and be nurtured, the reality is that its produced nothing better than league 1 players. </p>

what has it produced in the last few years?? </p>

Premiership players - none</p>

Championship - Flinders!! where is he these days?, think Palace leapt in a bit quick and wasted their money.</p>

League 1 &amp; 2 - a few locals (mainly fringe players) who tried their hardest but weren't good enough and have been left behind</p>

stick to what we've got now, its worth the money to go and watch</p>

 

Academy players simply arent good enough at the moment nt

 

Spot on mate nt

 

Bit concerned

that only a few seem to be good enough to play at first team level, but if the players aren't good enough or maybe disciplined enough to be regular first team players then if BFC can either let them go on loan or for a fee to somewhere else then that has to be done.

We do get one or two that seem to be good enough and want to play at a higher level, Scott for instance - yes I'm biased. If he is surplus to requirements at Crystal Palace and Nick seriously wants to leave then maybe we could get him back. That way we would have youth and experience in the team pushing each other to claim the No.1 shirt.

I think Mr Davey has done very well so far getting so many new faces in to replace some "favourites/local lads", let's just be patient and see how far this squad can take us.

 

Is it worth the money?

i get to most home games (missed the Bristol match), but i havent seen a good game yet!
Cov pished on us, we tried our best to throw it away against Plymouth, the Scunny game was awful to watch. For me this leaves an okish performance against Cardiff, where we started to play with 15 minutes left.
Now i assume we played well against Bristol and the couple of away results have definately done some good and no doubt that is what everyone is getting excited about but surely we havent seen enough of this season to say whether Davey is the right man or whether the players hes brought in are any good. Im not keen on Davey and never have been but im not going to give an opinion on the new players until they have had at least 4-5 months at the club. Its far too early to tell. And talking about handing Davey a new contract on fear that a big club will come and pinch is surely hysteria?

 

Credit Where It's Due to Mr Davey

I for one didn't think he was the right choice. Football last season was poor and route one - not good to watch, but ultimately it was rpductive in keeping us up.

Who would have then thought he had contacts in many countries in place to recomend (upto now) some quality signins.

One thing that has impressed me is that to have these contacts in place he must be organised and have planned to move into management. Now we have a first team that looks capable of keeping us up maybe he will utilise his contacts to find some good kids and coaches to develop them. It may be a case of having to start with 14/15 year olds and wait for them to develop for a few years. But for now, I'm more than happy with the team we have.

I know he was previously Academy manager but you don't know if he had full reign or to a certain degree had his hand tied when it came to making any changes he wanted.

 

Its all a matter of opinion but i think my season ticket was money well spent

I've only come out of one game pee'd off (and even then i could see the potential), the rest have left me buzzing for more,andI can't wait for next saturday to come.</p>

I call thatenjoyment, not hysteria.</p>

I fully expect to win every home game and have a sneaky feeling each time that we'll nick something away. If thats what simon Davey and his team of foreigners does for us, long may it continue</p>

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Thankfully decimated is an understatement! nt

 

I'm a bit concerned about it

We spend a lot of money on the academy and at the minute it's giving the first team nothing. I can't remember a time before this when the first team squad had no home grown players in it. Something's wrong with the production line somewhere and it needs looking at.

 

RE: I'm a bit concerned about

Maybe we should be looking at the quality of the coaching staff in the Academy and remembering that in recent times at least, Academy Manager = Club Manager in waiting.
My point is (before anyone asks) that if they aren't capable of producing potential first team players, can we really expect them to be productive first managers/coaches.

 

RE: I'm a bit concerned about -Why

Any slant can be put on any argument, obviously Mccarthy's comments came from the loaning out of Atkinson. What we have to remember we have a number of young ex Academy players out on loan at a number of clubs. This is what teams do with there younger players to let them gain experience. Out of those hopefully one or two wil come through. What Davey saw was that the homegrown players who were in the first team were not good enough in his opinion and others needed to gain more experience before a judgement could be made.
In the short term his only option was to completely rebuild the team. I for one at the beginning wasn't sure but right now and over the last couple of months i have seen some of the best football played by a Barnsley team for years and long may it continue

 

No nt

 

surely a stronger first team will produce a stronger academy

on the basis that youngsters, and esp their parents would push to get into an academy of a highly placed team as opposed to a more lowly placed team, we will start to get the better kids who may have gone to the Sheff clubs etc, dont forget that the present academy has been working largely from a 3rd division (shows age) background. Also as has been pointed out if the kids we let go had gone on to prove themselves at a higher level.....but the fact is they havnt been good enough for this level so why should we stick with em just because thay were local....