John Dennis

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  1. andytyke

    andytyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I recently read his book, and really enjoyed it.

    The book is as much about the history of BFC as it is about John Dennis.

    One thing that stands out is the structure of BFC at board level, throughout the years.

    There was always a number of board members, when some one left, some one else was voted on. All matters BFC were discussed at length and and decisions made by the board.

    The book ends at administration, Dennis states that the club could have handled relegation on its own without the collapse of ITV digital and could have coped with the collapse of ITV digital had we stayed up.

    obviously the rest is history, but why did Cryne change format that had been relatively successful for Years. The club had been through some tough times but survived, this wasn't accomplished by 1 person.

    Why does Cryne insist on taking a back seat and leaving one muppet in charge.
     
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    You really of the opinion that don is in charge?
     
  3. andytyke

    andytyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    errr day to day running of the club yes.

    contracts etc, Yes

    why do you think Cryne sits in on all contract talks like Dennis did
     
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    I've read it too, enjoyed it.

    I think part of the answer to your question lies with how we went into and out of admin - the lack of any clear ownership structure at the club affected the ability to sell it when it became necessary.

    What interests me though is that for donkeys years, the club was run by a large (ish) board of directors all doing it because they cared, and without remuneration. The Cryne era seems to have stopped that, and I wonder if we'd be better off on the day-to-day running if that were the case.
     
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    Agree. Thought this for a while. 5 or 6 reasonably wealthy and well networked individuals are always going to be more useful than 1 very wealthy individual with side-kick.
     
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    That was more to do with how the share system had been set up. To be fair to the board they knew for years that it was wrong but couldn't do anything about it. Really came to a head when they wanted to find someone to invest and stave off admin.

    Agree though about a board of directors who cared, most were local Barnsley business men who had the club at heart. Not the richest but cared for the good of the club. Wonder how hard it would be to appoint such a board at the moment, or how hard Cryne actually is trying
     
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    john dennis was not only the chairman but one of the most loyal supporters,and still is,,,i just wish he was rich enough to take the helm now,at least he had ambition,there was no-one moaning when we got promoted to the promised land...finding someone who will have the money and commitment he had will be hard...i used to trade with john several times every week and if we got talking about the club his words were filled with nothing but pride,i cant see us ever having anyone so commited and proud towards the club.
     
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    The share system was relevant to the running of the club though - the current situation couldn't have come about in those days.

    I don't think it'd be that hard to be honest if Cryne wanted it, and I don't believe such a board would necessarily have to be made of 'businessmen' who had funds to invest. I'm sure there are enough BFC fans out there with enough nous, and willing to do it for nowt, to positively influence the club if encouraged to do so.

    Oh for Paul Sykes to get a knock on the head and decide he wanted to run BFC!
     
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    Totally agree.
     
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    Re: John Dennis should be a director of barnsley football club

    ......ok, he made some bad decisions

    But you look around the ground and academy and think.........well, he made some bad decisions but he didn't do that badly

    I think Pat Cryne is a great bloke............but he needs help.............especially from someone with money to invest
    I know the BIG JD hasn't got that sort of money but at least he is someone that Pat should be talking to
     
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    Re: John Dennis should be a director of barnsley football club

    in the 80s paul sykes did want to invest in the club and the club refused. hes never been back since and took himself and his money to bellend rd.
    who were the people that refused. yes the dennis family.
     
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    Re: John Dennis should be a director of barnsley football club

    Not according to John Dennis. States in the book that Paul Sykes was asked and declined to invest.
     
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    Re: John Dennis should be a director of barnsley football club

    I'm sure I've heard somewhere that they can't stand each other.
     
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    Re: John Dennis should be a director of barnsley football club

    mmmmmmmmmmm maybe the book is only telling one side of the story
     
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    Re: John Dennis should be a director of barnsley football club

    Very true. But why put something in print which could be found to be untrue?
     
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    Re: John Dennis should be a director of barnsley football club

    I was under the impression that at one time Paul Sykes had wanted to invest in the club, was turned down by the board, years later when troubles loomed the board approached him but were politely told where to go, so both sides of the arguement are technically correct, re JD I think he was fantastic for the club but did make some big errors, but his passion could never be questined, i remember one former board member telling me that he and JD were at a play off final at Wembley a couple of seasons before we eventually made the promised land and at the start JD turned to him and said how much he wanted us to be in that situation ie chance of getting into the prem (of course many believed at that time that the board were scared we would ge t there .....not true...)
     
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    Re: John Dennis should be a director of barnsley football club

    er... dont want to piss on your chips like but when a person writes a book...its usually his version of events he writes.... it kinda happens like that
     
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    I think you will find that that

    the millionaire bus breaker that was turned down by the share holders at an agm ( not the board ) was in fact Arthur Findlay ( the guy Paul Sykes started with ) and when that happened I realised what a mess the club was in with regard to investment. Too many individuals owning a small amount of shares and not willing to sell.
     
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    Re: I think you will find that that

    That is how I was told it too.
    Sykes never tried to get on the BFC board, he was asked twice .
     
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    Well said. We want a new owner but I don't see what's stopping us increasing the size of the board with a couple of minority owners. We'd have more money coming in, more people giving ideas to improve the club etc. At the moment it's Cryne and Cryne alone who says what happens and he's in no position to have all that hassle.
     

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