Just another example of 'Bad Man Management'

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    Wastyke New Member

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    So Howards off because he either can't or won't play for BFC. Has there been a fall out or is he just after a better wage ? Makes you wonder !!

    Another thing, if we replace Davey would a new Manager be able to cancel any loan deal done ????
     
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    Davey has only made one bad mistake

    Thats not signing a striker that can score.
     
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    RE: Davey has only made one bad mistake Yes - coming here in the first place!

    /poo
     
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    Who says it's bad?

    It might equally prove to be a masterstroke - maybe the real cause of discontent in the dressing room was NOT the manager, but the skipper. How can we know?</p>

    All I know is that what I saw yesterday was categorically not a bunch of players trying to get their manager sacked. Nor was it a bunch of players that looked as though it would struggle without its &quot;leader&quot;.
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    Johnny the tyke Well-Known Member

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    gee-ower!

    SD may not have got the results in the last few games but he's certainly turned it around, performances have vastly improved and defence have stopped leaking goals..... The same old problem is lack of quality up front.... We certainly had chances to score yesterday! And without Howard

    Howard has been great servant to the club but has not looked himself this season, and I always felt his sale was inevitable. The longer the sale is left, the less we will get for him as his contract comes to an end next summer.
    I heinsight I wish we would have cashed in in the summer!

    In my opinion SD's has relied on him far to much during his reign and he has rarely been pushed for his place in the team. When he was good he was awsome, but alot of the time he was greedy, gave the ball away to easily and when he was made captain spent too much time critisizing teammates rather than encouraging them.
    You can't blame Howard as he doesn't pick the side, but SD should have rested him from time to time and given other the chance to shine and lifted some of the weight from his shoulders.

    Without him yesterday the midfield looked much more organised and retained possession........ I really do think Howards sale may give us a boost by giving others the chance to shine. Leon looked immense yesterday as did Anderson and the rest of the midfield.
     
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    Love this sentance

    All I know is that what I saw yesterday was categorically not a bunch of players trying to get their manager sacked. Nor was it a bunch of players that looked as though it would struggle without its "leader".

    Reminds me of Mourhino

    Totally agree mate, said same to my dad on way home.Yep didn't look like a changing room in turmoil did it?? as some on here would have you believe
     
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    You can argue it the other way though...

    A strong manager who won't put up with players who think they are bigger than the club. Enough times in the recent past we've heard of the drinking culture, the trouble causers etc. It seems Simon Davey won't put up with this sort of behaviour from anyone.
     
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    Can see where you're coming from but

    Don't you just feel like banging a few heads together??

    They're all professional people .... I just can't see why they can't just get on with it. I'm not blaming one side or the other (sitting on the fence suits me nicely), but I'm just gutted that we can't manage to sort out a deal that suits all concerned. It's been dragging on for months. I can't see why the whole thing wasn't sorted out in the summer. The managers job is to keep a happy functioning team, the players job is to play, and the Board (?!) should be able to keep money demands from agents in line.

    For the life of me I can't see how keeping Brian Howard at the club, happy to be a Red, within a wage structure we can afford should be that difficult.

    I know it's not as simple as that but I think it should be within the capabilities of all at BFC to have kept Brian Howard as a happy, performing, affordable member of the team. Very disappointed.
     
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    Alityke Active Member

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    That little man management balancing act

    would take one of life's chess players to co-ordinate. An Arsenal/Wenger type set up at the club

    No evidence of that being the case at Oakwell in my opinion
     
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    RE: That little man management balancing act

    I promise you that Brian Howard isn't happy to be a red and wants to go. Whether thats entirely down to Davey, I don't know, but he doesn't want to play for us and he wanted to go in the summer.
     
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    You can't promise anything mate

    You can repeat what you've heard and you can believe the source it has come from, but it has come through at the very least 4 different people to get to you, so you simply cannot state that it is fact. You may be right, I don't know, but you can't promise things that you have heard 4th hand.
     
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    you and rufus gonna have a...chat?
     
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    RE: You can't promise anything mate

    At least 4 people.

    Brian Howard - family member - me.

    Alright then. Brian Howard is desperate to leave. Believing it is totally up to you, but hes leaving. I have no reason to ******** anyone about it. The club should have dealt with the situation in the summer but they didn't, and this whole mess was inevitable.
     
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    If he wants to have a go because I laughed at one of his posts he's quite welcome, but I'm not going out of my way to meet with someone just because they don't like the fact that I thought their opinion on a subject as trivial as the relative merits to a team of two professional footballers was amusing.
     
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    RE: You can't promise anything mate

    Here's the thing. If Brian Howard told me that he "isn't happy to be a red and wants to go" then I'd believe him, although I would wonder why he was telling me this and not his manager or the chairman.

    If Brian Howard told you that he "isn't happy to be a red and wants to go" and then you told me I wouldn't think you were lying but I would be less inclined to believe you than I would if I'd heard it directly and I would wonder why he told you in the first place.

    You say he's told a family member, who has then told you and you have subsequently told me and that starts to sound like Chinese Whispers. For a start, who is this family member and why has Brian Howard told them? I'm pretty certain this family member is neither Patrick Cryne nor Simon Davey, so you've got to ask what the motivation was for Brian to tell this person.

    Then you've got to take into account how accurate each retelling of the story is as it gets passed from person to person. Seldom do stories finish up how they started when passed along a chain.

    I don't think you are bullshitting me for a minute, but neither can you promise that what you have passed on is an accurate reflection of Brian Howard's feelings.

    I neither believe you nor think you're lying. It's just another rumour that has been passed on about Brian Howard, like the hundreds of others that I've heard both on here and from talking to other Barnsley fans.
     
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    Still should've been sorted long ago

    Don't mean to minimilise the importance of BH, but it's just one small deal which should have been sorted one way or the other in the summer.

    I don't see why his transfer/ non transfer should be any more complicated to sort out than that of any other player.
     
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    I just think people need to strike a balance.

    Fair enough on your Chinese Whispers point.

    Brian Howard is a big miss when he goes. Make no mistake about it.

    But if anyone criticises him, they get jumped on. It is my belief that he has been absolutely rubbish so far this season, and I don't think that can entirely be blamed on the people he's played central midfield with. Unmotivated, unfit.

    The Brian Howard from last season is a huge miss - but he won't be that Brian Howard again whilever he's at a club he doesn't want to be at (IMHO).
     
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