Lee Johnson - bang average

If Mel Machin my favourite ever manager had got us to the Jpt I'm sure most people would say it. I've been to every round and I say it.

And it's there not their. Their is possessive.

 

No different to the FA Cup, our premier cup competition which arguable comes 4th when compared to the Premiership, Champions League and a place in Europe

 

Yes if it was the JPT. As I said I wasn't intending to demean the tournament or the achievement but we could also go back to Wembley this season and that would be a far more meaningful and prestigious occasion.

 

That depends on the standpoint of the observer. To some clubs the FA cup is more of a hindrance these days but to most it is still the most special cup competition in the football calendar. If I was to extend my list, the FA cup would be above the JPT however I don't know if I'd take an FA cup win over promotion.

 

Treacy will have been a decent earner so will turnbull and lita who were a waste of a signing. Llalkovic was poor under Wilson and he also brought in kimyoma who was bang terrible. You idea of making one or two decent signings sell em so you brake even on your **** ones is ridiculous. And in Johnsons signings watkins has been one of our best players this season and I'm pretty sure Mawson will come good and will re sale for alot more. White and hammill also have impressed. If Johnson goes he goes we will carry on but to bash him and then praise Wilson is strange.

 

No one is bashing him. He's been average. We are mid table to say anything else is to ignore reality. Wilson was also average but made better signings. Not sure how I could be any clearer.

A straight question with a yes or no answer is mid table in Division 3 average or not. No prevarication or anything. Just a yes or no.

Even Pc thinks the current run was down to fan pressure forcing the move to 4-4-2 than a positive action on Johnson part if you look at his Facebook

Signing players with resale value is our business model. In that you will have successes and failures. That's regardless of who the manager is. You may not like the business model but it is the business model.

 

Wilson made two good signings in winnall and hourhine he made far more worse signings then Johnson has turnbull,treacy,Lita, reece brown, kimyoma bailey....... But Wilson was the manager Johnson is the head coach I'm not sure Johnson is the one scouting these players. Your right 12 is bang average we are on a great run with a good squad 5 points off the play offs with most of the teams in the mix still to play we have lost once scince November in the league we have every chance of a play off place still to play for. People we saying Wilson should have been judged on the full season and the same people slate Johnson for half a season.

 

Also signing players for a profit not to so we don't lose money on all the dross we have brought in.

 

In signing Winnall, Scowen, Hourihane and Davies whilst developing Holgate. It's almost impossible to argue that Wilson wasn't success in this area. Selling Holgate probably covered the cost of the failures. The rest will be profit. It's impossible to evaluate Johnson on this criteria at the moment. Hammill and White have no resale value. Watkins I'm not sure is good enough to play at a level higher than us though Mawson maybe. There has been little development of our young players under Johnson with talented lads like Bree marginalised for journeymen pros. I guess the picture will be clearer this time next year.

 

You're right. He has been bang average. In League 1. If he wants to go them Bristol are welcome to him.

Im also emotionless about him going. Just want it resolving so the players can refocus.

 

It's our third visit in 16 years. Its only once in a lifetime if youre maybe 12 years old considering we last went in 2008.

 

He had no choice but to play holgate and he didn't have nothing to do with scowern like Chris said thanks Ben for that. Wilsons spell was going no where and he made far worse signings than Johnson and that is not including the dross like frimpong when he sent us down has had more relegations than promotions in his 1000+ games in management and still getting jobs because of 1997

 

He had no choice but to play holgate and he didn't have nothing to do with scowern like Chris said thanks Ben for that. Wilsons spell was going no where and he made far worse signings than Johnson and that is not including the dross like frimpong when he sent us down has had more relegations than promotions in his 1000+ games in management and still getting jobs because of 1997

 

If Johnson has been average than **** me what was Danny Wilsons second spell.

Even when we won it was *****!

This club was going absolutely no where user Danny Wilson. There's a reason he's managing Chesterfield now and Johnson is moving up a league.

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The Ipswich Town play off final in 2000 was the first time we had played at Wembley and we have been lucky enough to go twice now in 16 years after not many 3 tier clubs can say that

 

Bang average - not according to this

http://www.managerstats.co.uk/clubs/barnsley/

 

I actually think most managers are 'bang average' and the only deciding factor is a large combination of a number of events outside their control which come together to produce success. Danny Wilson is a case in point. Did a great job, but his career since has been 'bang average'. That year everything lined up nicely, all those small events came together and we got promotion.

All you can do is pick someone you think has good basic management skills and hope it comes off. That's why the club is quite right in treating Johnson's leaving as no big deal. They've appointed so many managers it's become pretty clear that the manager is not the start and end of the success. There's way too much weight given to their ability in my view. How else can you account for some managers being successful at one club and then hopeless at others? Was Mourinho suddenly rubbish this year? Or did lots of small things happen that he just had no control over?

As Ritchie Benaud said, “Captaincy is 90% luck and 10% skill. But don’t try it without that 10%”.

 

I should add that I was one of those wanting to keep Johnson, not because I knew he was/might be a good manager - but statistically speaking a manager will never turn things around if you sack them. We've sacked managers for not doing so, so why not leave Johnson to manage through the bad run and see what came of it? Repeating the same hire > fire scenario had got us nowhere in all these years.

Statistically you can't argue with Johnson's figures - he's been pretty successful. The issue is his time here is skewed by the fact that he lost a load of games, then won a load of games. Had those wins and losses come in a more evenly distributed fashion - im pretty sure peoples view of him would be much more balanced.

After all we'd be 5 points off the play-offs and going to Wembley. Statistically, that is not 'bang average'.

 

Exactly. Once in a lifetime for some.

Be grateful that Lee Johnson has given us only our third trip in the clubs history.

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Again I doubt very much that Chris was privy to the discussions a bit ago you thought he hadn't been manager when we signed him so not sure how much credence we can put to your views on that.

Its a shame you can't get over your prejudices and look at things objectively as I'm sure you are a smashing lad. if Johnson hadn't lucked onto Hammill and been pretty much forced into 4-4-2 I suspect Bristol wouldn't have come calling. But Johnson seems a good bloke so if he's got a bit of luck to get him a better paid job then I'm pleased for him. Whilst being sure that a committee of my 3 year old and our goat could get this team to mid table in Division 3.

Young lads given a chance by Wilson Bree, Smith, Holgate, Abbott. Anyone since then I'm struggling. Again selectively you miss out that Holgate Replaced Bree because presumably it didn't fit your agenda.