Leeds: This still winds me up.

So the decision is due later today. But it still winds me up. They break the rules prohibiting their entry into the league. The rules are bent for them on the condition they don't contest the penalty. They contest the penalty. FFS.

 

I've being talking to a Leeds fan today he thinks they will get all 15 points back, I bloody hope not what a daft place the football league have left themselfs
in.

 

themselves

 

I think everyone has lost all perspective because it's Leeds

If we'd done it (we have done it, we started Gudjon's season in charge without a CVA in place) then we'd all think the 15 point penalty was well out of order and we'd be right behind the club appealing against it. That's not to say I hope Leeds win the case, I don't, but I'm certainly not getting flustered over the fact that they're trying to defend their interests.

 

Agreed

It seems like there'll be some compromise that sees them into the play-offs (they've already qualified for) but as I've said before there ought to be an opening for an appeal against their inclusion if there's an appeal against the penalty.

 

Not everyone, just me

Did we really do the same thing as Leeds? Straight up?

 

in terms of what they have received the second 15 pts deduction for, yes.

sorry to butt in like.

 

Sold back to their previous owner without due consideration of other bids

Within 15 minutes. Did we do that?

 

Yes

Worse actually. We'd been in administration much longer than Leeds and we were much further away from meeting the FL's requirements when we started the Gudjon season. If you remember we had a transfer ban imposed upon us. We had to sign up players like Handyside and Ireland on week to week contracts just before the season started. We didn't meet the league's criteria and exit administration until well in to the Autumn.

 

No

We sold the club to a man who mortgaged the clubs assets to raise the funds for the buy out. Which is much, much worse.

 

And btw

That's not why they received a 15 point deduction.

 

I'm not sure it is

And I'm certainly not sure the FL see it as worse. I think KPMG were negligent in such a sale and I can't believe it was allowed to stand. I have a friend who's an insolvency impractioner who says he won't touch football clubs because the laws just don't seem to apply. We were hardly whiter than white but what Leeds tried to do was disgraceful.

 

RE: Yes

Yes but Leeds have a lot more interest in them, unlike Barnsley we needed it, Leeds did what they did to
make it fit for their own benefit.

 

No, fair enough

But it allows me to hate them a bit more.

I grew up in West Yorks by the way . . .

 

I think you are wide of the mark.

The point is that we would not have been allowed to do what Leeds have done. Along with every other club that has gone into admin we had to play by the league rules on the matter. Leeds refused to and yet the league bent the rules to let them stay keep their league place. That was the league's fault of course but Leeds agreed to the points deduction (you'll say they had to!).

If the appeal is successful then I hope the other clubs lobby to enforce the original rules and kick Leeds out. That'd serve em.

 

I understood the crime to be not paying back the inland revenue

to come out of administration.

Something that I believe all other clubs have done.

Can you let everyone know the real reason for the 15 point deduction because if it's simply that they were in administration then they deserve their points back.

However, I still think the rest of the football league should resign as Leeds' behaviour is far from gentlemanly.

 

RE: I understood the crime to be not paying back the inland revenue

The crime was that Leeds didn't pay football debts in full which other clubs have had to do, they were still allowed to sign players though.
Also, they could have exited admin because they had a number of interested buyers.....but strangely the creditors refused those and went with a lower offer from Ken Bates! Nothing to do with those creditors being offshore companies wit links to Mr Bates though of course!

 

And another thing

It's got to the point where you can't even have a decent drunken rant against Dirty Leeds without people expecting you to be in full possession of the facts. What happened to the good old days when a man could slag off our backward neighbours from the comfort of his own living room and 3 bottles of fine Burgundy without fear of being held to account by his fellow fan? When we could all unite behind the common cause of wishing ill on Dirty Leeds, whatever the "facts"?

These are sad times we live in.

 

It's easy: Revoke their league share

They should never have been granted it in the 1st place!

 

Without a shadow of a doubt

the 75 league chairman who voted to uphold the decision should resign their clubs from the league if the points are re-instated.