Liverpool fans at it again with their lies and beging for pity

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7998254.stm</p>

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It starts off with this &quot;When I arrived at the ground just after 1.30pm, it was already clear there were too many people queuing at Leppings Lane&quot;. Right so he's admitting there were more than there should have been queuing to get into that stand. ie a lot of people without tickets. He continues &quot;Police were desperately trying and failing to control the thousands who arrived over the next hour or so. &quot; Hang on there were already too many people there, you just said that so thousands more all wanting to get in? Thousands of liverpool fans without tickets for that area all trying to get in. </p>

Yet the 'story' ends with &quot;in my personal opinion, those responsible for the tragedy, from the police pushing fans escaping from the crush back over the fence to the higher echelons of South Yorkshire Police, have never been made to answer for their actions.&quot; </p>

Suddenly the blame was solely that of south yorkshire police from those at the bottom to those at the top and with no mention at all of those thousands of liverpool fans mentioned earlier in the story that took entry into the leppings lane end without tickets. Those thousands that had they not illegally gone into that stand would not have crushed those in front of them. It's as simple as that, the police made a mistake in opening the gates but those fans without tickets CHOSE to go into that stand</p>

 

And Lord Taylor was obviously a Liverpool fan nt

 

I think you just have to understand their feelings

even if you don't agree with them. I think if I had been there (rather than playing one kick against my grandma's wall - I remember it well) I'd have built up some strong feelings too, rational or otherwise.

 

I'm no Scouse lover by any means but if you think the police were blameless you are deluded. It was clear the problem was building well before the decision to open the gates was made. Remembering Hillsboro at the time and the tunnel onto the central terrace areas, it wasn't rocket science to place a line of police and horses blocking the tunnel to direct fans to the vacant side areas.
They completely lost control of the situation. Simple as.

 

Even Look North last night - Harry Gration saying "police FORCED the fans down this tunnel", no they didn't, the gates were opened and fans went down there rather than other areas.

Yes the police were at fault, as was stadium design, having fences etc., there were a whole host of factors that contributed to the accident but the action of fans outside the ground and pushing to get in was also a CONTRIBUTORY factor, it's just that Liverpool won't accept that

 

RE: I think you just have to understand their feelings

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I think you're the best poster on this board.</p>

 

and tbhose self rightous feelings extended yesterday, to saying 'the FA cuip should NEVER have been played that year, and the trophy handed over to liverpool...' MY ARSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it really is about time they looked at what happened from behind those rose tinted spectacles that see all liverpool fans as heroes. it was sad that such a loss of life occured, but, THEY were to blame.
afew years before the disaster i policed another semi final there with liverpool, they were exaclty the same then, drunk, late, NO TICKETS begging me and former colleagues to let them in.....

it also made me sick yesterday when the now chief constable of our area said 'sorry, we were to balme' FFS whats he after, the lordship of anfield?????

 

I suppose it's all about intent.

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They may have got it wrong but the intention of the police was to safely control the crowd. The intention of 100s of Liverpool fans who turned up without tickets and caused the crush was to get into the ground by any means neccessary. Both made mistakes but you've got to look at what they were trying to do when they made them.</p>

My cousin was killed by abloke in a BMW who was trying to jump a queue. I'm sure he didn't set out to kill a young girl that day but, under the prevailing circumstances, with pedestrians about, you have to start thinking about wreckless endangerment. How much blame do you attach when he decided to act in his own interest without a moment's thought for the safety of others?</p>

No one's come forward and admitted to being one of those causing the crush but the attitude appears to be, &quot;It's not my fault, it's the police's for not controlling me properly.&quot; That crowd was made up of hundreds of individuals all of whom, at least publicly, now appear to be excusing themselves any responsibility for their own selfish, inconsiderate and ultimately deadlyactions.</p>

 

What utter rubbish.............

Whilst the Liverpool fans must take some of the blame, the main portion of blame should lay with the police. They opened the gate, didn't block
off the central tunnell and then stood there watching for an hour before helping.

 

What about the rumours

The Scousers were robbing the dead?

As I said, maybe it's just a rumour, but I know who should carry 90% of the blame for this tragedy, and it's not the Police.

 

Give it a rest.....the police were there to control the crowd..

they failed, you can't blame supporters trying to get into a semi final, if the police had directed the fans to the end pens and blocked the central tunnel, there would have been no problems, ticketless fans or not.

 

RE: Give it a rest.....the police were there to control the crowd..

They broke the law but they're blameless?

The Police had a part to play in it, but the Scousers literally killed their own, and while I have no sympathy for the fans who killed their own, I have so much for the families who lost their loved ones due to a very large group of mindless and selfish idiots.

 

"you can't blame supporters trying to get into a semi final"

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******* hell.</p>

 

so, eastender, we'll make it that for every event where its ticket only entry that its ok for thousands of others to turn up, without tickets, and the police will have to let them in, yes?????????

or...


do you use your common sense and think, 'mmmmm, no ticket, no point going, i'll watch the highlights later on tv???????

get a grip man....

or, i'll do as you say, and as i havent got a u2 ticket for don vballey, i'll arrange for a couple of thousand other people to turn up without tickets too and se if we all get in, heh???????

 

Different times now.....all seating.....can't compare. nt

 

How about the footage

of the guy on the pitch shouting into the microphone "Why didn't they give us the bigger end?" What difference does that make, surely they had the amount of tickets for the end they were in....so that's an admission of more people getting in the ground than were allocated tickets.

 

True but its also saying

Maybe if more were allowed to get tickets (i.e. the bigger end) then this wouldn't have happened either.</p>

But don't let that get in the way of your Scouser bashing.</p>

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RE: True but its also saying

And was the Forest end full or not? If not then maybe Liverpool fans might have a case for having the other end, but they'd sold out as well.

But it's the fact that they absolve themselves of any responsibility whatsoever.

 

So it's not the day for blaming the Liverpool fans...

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...but it is the day for blaming the police.</p>

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