Making a Murderer

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    Anyone seen this on Netflix? Equal parts gripping, unbelievable and infuriating. It was awful seeing the nephew being repeatedly failed by all aspects of the American "justice" system.
     
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    Ask Offspring.

    He is well up on it
     
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    I reckon he did it.
     
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    I think there's a decent chance he did, but that's not enough to put him behind bars for life. I don't think the nephew had owt to do with it and it's a joke he couldn't get a new trial after the circumstances of his "confession"
     
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    I posted this before I'd seen the last episode. It got even worse - it was unreal that his nephew couldn't get a new trial given the circumstances of his confession.
     
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    There seems to be little evidence against Avery. Little motive.

    The judges comments when sentencing him were completely incorrect. He said that Averys crimes have steadily increased in severity, which would only be true if he had actually committed the rape he was originally sent down for. Prior to that he'd only been done for one count of assault, one of burglary and one of animal cruelty. Bit of a jump to rape and murder.

    There was also the chap, maybe the prosecutor, who said it would be easier to have Avery killed. He made a massive slip up midway through an interview which nobody seemed to pick up on. When asked whether the Avery family and defence would be able to prove that Avery is being framed, he responded with "I don't think so". Surely if he's not being framed, he could give a straight "no" as an answer.

    I find it convenient that they cannot offer the names of at least one other suspect.

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    Scott Tadych, Brendan's stepdad seriously needs looking into.
    And i can't believe the Ex Boyfriend wasn't looked into, but i suppose they had made their minds up and knew who they wanted behind bars regardless of who actually did it.
    I am 100% certain Brendan had nothing at all to do with it and about 99% SA is innocent.
     
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    Up to episode six, though I know how it ends. The wife is gripped, too.

    That said, I've a mate in Green Bay, WI. who says that it's a good TV show, but certain things weren't used for the show that might have given more balance. Still, some of the elements of the conviction are out of this world.

    The key, for a start...
     
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    People are talking about the stuff left out of the doc, well here is some Pro-DEFENSE information that was left out:

    Dean Strang recalled that one of the investigators involved in finding DNA under the hood of Halbach's car admitted to not changing gloves after handling evidence inside her car. Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwXEJ_0X2A Reddit discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd..._gloves_after/

    Remember Sherry Culhane, the expert who testified about Halbach's DNA being on the bullet, except she contaminated her control sample, but since she'd used the whole sample (leaving nothing for the defense to test), they went ahead and treated it as conclusive? In 1985, she testified in the Penny Beernsten case that a hair belonging to Steven was found on Penny's shirt. Source: http://lacrossetribune.com/news/stat...8b655a855.html and http://www.convolutedbrian.com/testi...-feb-2007.html and http://www.convolutedbrian.com/the-p...ld-effect.html

    "Buting showed that Culhane delayed the DNA test that freed Avery for a year" and "Culhane’s error rate was shown to be the highest of her group although her analysis time was seventy percent of the other analysts. She explained this by stating she did more samples than others." Source: http://www.convolutedbrian.com/testi...-feb-2007.html

    Investigators never dusted the Toyota key (with Steven's DNA) for fingerprints. http://fox6now.com/2016/01/07/march-...ert-testifies/

    Strang said Manitowoc County Coroner Debra Kakatsch would testify that she was "walled off entirely" from the crime scene by Calumet County authorities. By state statute, she should have been allowed to investigate early reports of possible human bones being found outside of Avery's trailer, he said.

    Strang said the coroner had also received calls from the Manitowoc County executive and the county's top attorney not to investigate the case. Source: http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/w...363818721.html

    Culhane testified that the amount of Avery's DNA on Halbach's hood latch (which could have been blood) was very small, similar to what you would get from rubbing Avery's toothbrush on it, or from the unchanged gloves of the tech who handled blood evidence inside the car and then touched the hood. https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...he_hood_latch/

    Buting wanted to show jury anonymous letter mailed to MTSC, found in Green Bay Post Office, which claimed a body had been burned in the smelter at 3:am on Friday. Sources: https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3242420&hl=en and http://fromwhisperstor.fr.yuku.com/t...g#.Vo7kgR7DPIU (Note that this last link comes from a website that, irritatingly, replaces every instance of "ass" with "DorkFish", so Fassbender comes out "FDorkfishbender. Why, website, why???)

    Clerk Lynn Zigmunt testifies that she had a log everyone was supposed to sign when they went into the evidence room, but "some people were making exceptions for people. We've tightened up on that." Source: http://fox6now.com/2016/01/07/march-...-averys-blood/

    Blaine Dassey testified that his brother, Bobby, was asleep when he got home from school around 3:40pm, contradicting Bobby's testimony that he got up at 2:30pm and saw Teresa headed towards Steven's trailer. Source: http://fox6now.com/2016/01/07/februa...kes-the-stand/

    Dean Strang says Steven's jail conversations were taped for 16 months and he never implicated himself, and this - along with the fact that in his experience, people "mentally equipped as Steven is" always end up confessing or implicating themselves - makes him think Steven may be "stone cold innocent." Source: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016...cold-innocent/

    Now Sheriff (then "under sheriff") Robert Hermann is president of another salvage company in the region, and was working at it before he went into law enforcement in the 80s. http://cleveland-auto-sales-salvage....-sales-salvage and http://www.htrnews.com/story/news/lo...ey=&autologin=

    Dean Strang stated they had a forensic anthropologist at trial who testified that an open fire wouldn't have generated enough heat to burn a body in the way that those bones were destroyed, but it didn’t make the documentary. Dean Strang on Megyn Kelly, the Kelly File 1/5/2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIBAoe8hNPk

    In between 3:30 - 4PM, A propane delivery truck driver (John Leurquin) saw a green SUV leaving the Avery property at but couldn’t identify driver or if it was a male or female. He delivers propane for Valders Co-op. Usually fuels up near Avery property at 3:30 for about half an hour http://www.wsaw.com/news/headlines/6386482.html

    “Police said she was wearing blue jeans, a white button-down shirt and a summer jacket when she was last seen. Schmitz would indicate that Halbach was at his residence at approximately 1:30 p.m. Was there for approximately ten minutes. Was wearing a white shirt, waist -- waist-length jacket, and blue jeans. (Day 4 of Dassey Trial) Zipperer would indicate that Halbach was at her residence between approximately 2 to 2:30 p.m. Was there for approximately ten minutes. Was wearing a white top, waist-length jacket, and blue jeans. (Day 4 of Dassey Trial) Bobby Dassey said when he saw Teresa Halbach photographing the van Avery was selling Oct. 31, 2005, she was wearing a knee-length coat and slacks. http://fromwhisperstor.fr.yuku.com/t...g#.VpLqvJMrLq2 and http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...trip=1&vwsrc=0

    Steven filed an interesting post-conviction document naming other suspects the police should have looked into. Please do not take this as Steven actually accusing any of these men; it's just meant to show a judge that there were other viable suspects besides Steven, and that should create reasonable doubt. http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/...e 23 +.pdf

    William Newhouse, a gun expert with the Wisconsin State Crime Lab, said he couldn't conclusively link a bullet found in a crack in Avery's garage to a .22-caliber rifle seized from his bedroom. (He could only confirm that it was definitely a bullet from a .22 caliber rifle). There was no DNA on the gun, no blood blow back that you’d get from shooting someone at that close range and no blood mist / spatter around the garage that would also be present had someone been shot in the garage. http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/p...363819121.html

    Strang proved and Bobby Dassey agreed that the joke about hiding a body that Steve supposedly said to Bobby Dassey and Mike Osmundson on Nov 3 before Teresa was reported missing couldn't have been made on Nov 3, because Bobby Dassey was working that night. If it did happen, it could have only been made Nov 4 after Teresa's disappearance was public. http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/t...363820361.html The documentary showed Steven's defense team questioning the date of the alleged joke but left out the evidence of why it couldn't have been heard by Dassey and Osmunson before Teresa's disappearance was public.

    The defense eliminated as many problematic jurors as the law allowed, but they still ended up with a MCSD sheriff's father and a county clerk's husband. http://www.people.com/article/steven...unty-employees

    On the 'Kelly Files' interview, Dean Strang mentioned that there were little drops off deer blood all over Averys garage, essentially debunking the theory that they could have cleaned all the blood evidence out of the garage, since had they cleaned it that thoroughly, there wouldn't have been any deer blood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIBAoe8hNPk

    Colborn testified that he "roughly" shook the bookend table when the key fell out, yet if you look at the photo, there is a remote and some paper sitting on top and things sitting neatly inside. https://imgur.com/a/vgV9B

    Manitowoc County Public Safety minutes for 12-6-05 show 744 Hours + $2,800 of Sheriff time billed in first month of Halbach investigation. 744 hours/24 hours = 31, which means during a month Manitowoc was supposed to be recused from the investigation, they are saying they put in the equivalent of someone working every single minute on this investigation. Plus, DA Mark Rohrer is in these meetings, discussing the case when they're supposed to have turned it over to Kratz. Source: http://www.co.manitowoc.wi.us/upload...tes12-6-05.pdf

    On the leg irons/handcuffs from Avery's house. They tested those for DNA and found a mixture of DNA from 2 or more people. They confirmed Avery to be a source of one of the matches. Most importantly, they excluded Teresa's DNA as a match. https://www.dropbox.com/s/6pjd6kpq5o...cript.pdf?dl=0 Day 4/8/07.
     
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    Just watched first episode on kodi tonight after seeing this
     
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    I just finished watching up to Episode 3 (confession of his nephew).


    Having read quite a bit about forced/coersed confessions (also see: Murder on a Sunday Morning, Serial and others..) this sadly doesn't surprise me but still leaves me really f*cked off. Sometimes it can be put down to the police genuinely believing that the person did it and not realising they are creating a false narrative. Othertimes its quite clearly corruption at work - and without a doubt this was the latter.


    That poor lad didn't know his arse from his elbow and this is why police should never be allowed to interview anyone without a lawyer present. More intelligent and astute people have been pushed into incriminating themselves at the hands of jumped up fascist pr!cks in authority. The only surprising thing about this was that they taped it. There's many a case where on the day of the interview "the video wasn't working" or someone "forgot" to record it.


    Erich Fromm once said, "The ordinary man with extraordinary power is the chief danger for mankind – not the fiend or the sadist." I agree with this, but worse still is the sadist with extraordinary powers. Put a sadist in authority and have below him people who are unwilling to question it, and you have a recipe for disaster. Whenever I see people failing to question an authority and tell me I should think as they do and do as I'm told, I remind of this.
     

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