Manager patience

Right now I am behind DW and the team. I am however looking for progression and for us to improve significantly in points and performances (in that order). It's clear the management haven't identified their best team and we have seen some round robin selections up front.

Given a lot of people are calling for patience and recognising chopping and changing hasn't worked. the question to debate is.....

......Who over the past few years would you have kept on as manager rather than sacking them when we did?

 

Robins but it wasn't a sacking apparently.

Other than that I liked

Thordarson and Richie both should have had more time

 

Anyone who goes by the name Ritchie is a good choice


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I'd have stuck with Ritchie and Thordarson a bit longer.

 

Gudjon Thordarson, Andy Ritchie, Mark Robins.

 

Agreed

 

Andy Ritchie
Some of the displays at the latter end of Robins Tenure were dire.

 

Can't comment on the two away performances but I'm guessing the problem was, like against MK Dons, just not being able to have meaningful possession in midfield which leaves our defenders exposed and doesn't give any service to the strikers.

Loads on here said put Cranie in midfield but that doesn't appear to have been the answer, performances seemed better when Bailey was playing, although I'm not sure it was particularly down to him.

We can't even play hoof ball because we've no-one up top who is going to win the 50/50's in the air, even an Odejayi type who doesn't score a lot would be better than what we have at the minute - winning the ball and laying it on for Hourihane or someone like Lita. Can't knock Lita's finishing but if we can't give him the ball in the right area he's not even going to look like he's in the game.

 

All of them, I think.

Definitely wouldn't have sacked Flicker. Argued long and hard on here for him to be given more time during the run up to his sacking. That's not to say I think he would have turned it around, because I don't. I also prefer that we've now got Danny Wilson. However, what Flicker did the season before in keeping us up was an amazing achievement. He deserved more loyalty than what he got, particularly from many of the fans. He's now showing with Bury that he has something as a manager, even if The Championship maybe came a bit too early in his managerial career. I'm not surprised to read that the same people that demanded Flicker be sacked are now the ones making noises about Wilson going.

Keith Hill is a difficult one for me as I really don't like the man. I'm not sure I can be trusted to objectively analyse his managerial abilities when I think he's such a t.wat. On football results alone I would not have sacked him before we did. However, after that Blackburn game I would have been severely tempted. It was a horrible match that came at the end of a horrible year of football. I can completely understand why the club did it and maybe they made the right decision, but, had I liked the guy I'm not 100% sure that's what I would have done.
However, I would have properly sacked the bloke long before, not football sacked, where he walks away with a golden hand shake, but fired him for breech of contract. Within his contract it would have been written that he has to promote Barnsley Football Club at all times. He didn't, quite the opposite on many occasions. I wouldn't have allowed him to get away with that. But, as I say, that's because I didn't like him. Actually, that's why I didn't like him.

I liked Mark Robins, I thought he was doing a good job. The thought of trying to get rid of him would not have occurred to me.

Davey I wasn't too keen on. I thought he'd probably taken us as far as he ever would and had we kept him we would have been perpetual relegation candidates. To be fair to him though, he always kept us on the right side of that relegation line. Having decided to continue with him for the 2009-10 season there's no way earth I would have sacked him after 5 league games. Barmy.

Andy Ritchie got us promoted then was sacked well before Christmas. Not a chance in hell I would have done that.

 

The 2 that I did want out was Davey (end of season prior to his exit) and Hill (after first season). Like Jay says Flicker deserved a season after the escape, Ritchie likewise after Promotion and Robins departure was a bit of a shock at the time.

Still getting rid of managers aint always abart football is it. Maybe Patrick lacks the patience that we are being asked for, or maybe he just goes along with the thoughts of the paying fans. Who knows?

 

Heard a few reasons why he was sacked - was it something to do with the club having a pot of money for him to strengthen the team but he was so matey with all the players he didn't want to upset the apple cart?

 

Aye. we sack em for spending too little as well as too much. Mindboggling.

 

The time to get rid of Davey was, like you've just said, at the end of the season. To allow him to spend the transfer budget and assemble the squad for the next season, only to sack him after 5 games, was stupid imho. If you've got so little trust in the guy that you're only going to give him 5 games then he shouldn't be your manager. Like you, I thought he should have gone at the end of that season. I wasn't calling for his head, but it seemed like the right decision to me. The club thought otherwise, which was their prerogative, but once they'd made that decision they'd got to stick with it. It costs so much money to sack managers these days that it always surprises me we're so desperate to do it. Particularly, like in Davey's case, when we've only just allowed them to spend the season ticket money.

 

I've heard that too, but I struggle to give it any credibility. If it's true, he's the first football manager in the history of the game who didn't want to spend any brass.

 

Funnily enough, Richie was sacked for the same reason you'd have sacked Hill...

 

Funnily enough, Richie was sacked for the same reason you'd have sacked Hill...

 

If that's true, his anti-Barnsley sentiments passed me by. He always seemed to really like the place and speak well of the club.

He did once give an interview about our chances of getting back to the Premier League, but I thought that showed a lack of ambition rather than anything against the club. It was a bit of a daft thing to say (although maybe realistic) but I think he only said it once and it was summat you'd have a quiet word in his ear about, not sack the bloke.

Not saying you're wrong, just that if you are right I'm even more against the decision to sack him than I was before.

 

Dont see the point in sacking anyone before Christmas after they have spent the budget. Before the Jan transfer window came in it would have been daft before the season was out.

The clubs should pick the manager int Summer and have to stick with em until end of season, then we may get to see if they can manage. Am an owd git that would like to go back in time with regards football.

 

Maybe there should be a sacking window as well as a transfer window. Apart from gross misconduct, you can only sack the manager in January and the closed season. Or a manager hiring season. You can only appoint a new manager during those dates which would effectively amount to the same thing.

 

Cryne was royally pissed off with Ritchie's quotes about our future being a yo-yo club of the lower divisions and occasional forays into the Championship. Pat's obviously mellowed a bit since then...