Managers can't win...

If you play kids then you will inevitably lose some games. George Smith has done well at left back but he's a kid. He's bound to make mistakes.

So the fans complain and we bring in White, who despite a shaky start has been fantastic.

I've seen numerous calls for Brad Abbot to get a game over these last few months. So guess what? A gap opens up in the middle and in comes Abbot. He inevitably struggles and now the same fans who long for homegrown players to be given a chance are now saying he's rubbish and we need another midfielder.

The fact is, Smith and Abbot may never be good enough to play in a top six League One side, but we'll never know unless we give them games.

You can't expect a young side to not make mistakes. You can't have it both ways. You can't call for managers to bring in youngsters but then call their head when we lose games.

 

I think that you stated the main problem with most managers on the subject line.

 

Agreed.

 

That's a fair shout

 

Smith was exposed by our sh1tty dealings in the market this summer. Smith was let down by the club through having to be overplayed because we didnt address te left back issue. This loan will do him the world of good. He'll come back a better player.

Abbott, again, has been let down by poor management. Not given a sniff all season then thrown in and exposed. His performance yesterday wasn't good but there are mitigating factors.

Ultimately both lads have been badly managed and let down by our continued **** ups in the transfer 'strategy'

Its not really a strategy though. Its just a pi55 poor attempt to post rationalise **** up after **** up by board and manager.

 

So your telling me earlier on in the season you would have played Abbott instead of Pearson, scowern or hourhine. Imagine if Lee Jay had he would have been shot down on here. Best thing that could happen to Abbott is we get a center mid in and he goes out on loan to gain experience like George smith has

 

Massive difference between Smith & Abbott. Smith knew he was likely to start the season at left back because he was our only one.

Abbott was below Scowen, Hourihane, Pearson, Rothwell, Crowley & Digby in the pecking order & apparently has been training with the academy up until a few weeks ago & not made a part of the squad.

Instead of giving him a loan & keeping him match fit & sharp he's not played a proper game for 8 months & understandably looked rusty yesterday.

Piss poor preparation really. We should never have been in a position where a young lad who's not played for 8 months was having to come into the team in what's really a semi final of the only competition that can save our season.

 

No he'll be thinking Abbott should've been out on loan earlier in the season instead of been left to rot for half a season

 

My thoughts exactly mate. I felt for Abbott yesterday.

 

Managers can't win Correct


But they can learn from mistakes Correct


Some of them that is.

Its what enhances their reputation

 

Can only give him a loan if a club wants to use him. And no point him dropping down to confronce level like last time. he needs to be playing league 2 football like smithy

 

Well said Redrum

 

I don't subscribe to the primary view about playing kids, supporting our own etc etc. For me first and foremost we have to assemble a squad good enough to compete and win things at league one level. No room for sentiment. Now i do subscribe to the fact that to achieve this we have to develop younger players to compete at first team level. We have done ok here as Smith especially, but also Holgate had plenty of games. Less so we have seen Abbott, Templeton and Bree involved. However the problem is we don't have a balanced squad to allow us to bring in the young players at appropriate times. We went for ages with only Smith at LB. Bree hasn't had enough game time, neither Abbott. However firstly we have to be in a position to do this, i.e. run in cups, strong league position etc. Also the players have to be good enough when they get the chance. Bree i believe has, Smith has done ok, but the young guns won't be consistent and we have to pick and choose the games. They have to have cover, rest and experience to draw from. Right now we are in the situation in centre mid that we were with Smith. No cover, have to rely on Abbott and we pile the pressure on him, with no other options. I have to say I get the strategy we have as a club, I'm less impressed with its execution.

 

Yes but Mick took a huge risk here. Played a lad who aint played much this season, isn't in top form, in his debut, in an unfamiliar position. He was switched from centre half to full back after 25 mins. I hope Diggers gets it right but now he has the fans to win over too.

 

No, they can't win.

They have to try to predict in advance what will happen in a game, then they've got to try and change it during the game if it goes wrong.

All we have to do is to wait until after the game, then moan about it on here.

 

One of the advantages of paying one's money.

Having the right to express one's views.

 

They have a far better chance of doing it now than ever though, far more media coverage of other teams than ever, better communications with scouting system and back up at club. They should have a very good idea of oppositions favoured tactics and best players, as for adjusting as the game is in progress surely that's same for both managers and them knowing/ being good at their job.
As for coming on here moaning about it a fair few would have come up with the solution at the game ( albeit without the pressure) but obviously can't do anything about it.

 

Agreed, although hearing the same views over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again does get somewhat tiresome.

In addition to that, it depends on the knowledge of the person imparting those views. Most on here can't agree whether we played 4-4-2, 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 yesterday. For the record, I thought we played 4-4-1-1. Others disagreed. How can amateurs like us take a view on a game when we don't even know what formation we played?

I think the best thing to do is to append the word "FACT" in capital letters after all posts, thereby alerting other posters that the post should not be challenged under any circumstances.