Manvers riots

4 months on. Interesting article in the Guardian. I grew up in Bolton on Dearne about a mile away to the north and went to Wath Grammar school a mile the other way. While I will admit there were some ignorant people in the area 50 years ago, the sense of community and solidarity was strong - particularly during the pit strikes. I could imagine a few people I knew being involved in all this but they were a very very small minority.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...oters-trying-to-burn-down-their-accommodation

 

Thanks for sharing. I don’t know Susanne Anderson but I hope she stands on an upturned plug. Lying ****.

 

I live 2 minutes away from the site. When something like that happens it doesn't do the old anxiety any favours. It makes you wonder who really is amongst your own neighbourhood. Having to walk down the High Street with your infant child, not knowing if that person following you into the bakery has attempted to set another human being on fire in their bed, on the strength of words uttered by Nigel Farage.

 

If people wish to be racist, thugs, potential murderers that's up to them. If they wish to make stories up to enable their narrative that's up to them too. I personally think they are all moronic nasty pieces of work but unfortunately they live amongst us. We should challenge them when we get chance.

 

Quickest way to solve the problem is to process the 150k + illegals who have arrived in the last 10 years. Maybe if we didn’t have grown men being sent to school when they claim they’re 14, who then go on to murder people in the street? Or you can just call people racists and eventually you’ll end up with Nigel Farage in government. I’m sure that’ll work out fine.

 

I haven't read the link. (Don't open them on my phone or at work.)

I think a lot of the convictions from the rioting all over the country were stirred up by the media.

It was a quiet media wise and they had to justify themselves. My personal opinion, the people committed the atrocities but they were heavily swayed by the media.

First thing I'd do is ditch half hour slots for news. If there isn't owt meaningful to report put little lass on with her puppet and blackboard.

To me half the time media are nowt but Blowfelt in disguise.

 

This thread ain't gonna end well.....markmiwurdz.

 

I don't think there's owt to debate about. I'd like to believe people are influenced by things around them and nobody is born "evil" , "bad" or the "bogeyman".

They just become that thing, person. They engender that nuance. That penchant for the risquet, barbaric or heroic.

Some are spurred onto greatness, others barbarism and depravity.

 

Yep, it’s the immigrants fault again, eh? Illegals? Not until they’re processed & cannot claim asylum- them they’re “illegals”.

Maybe Brexit stopped us taking back control? Maybe a processing centre in France would have helped? Or perhaps our (then) right-wing govt didn’t want “help”?

 

Well that's one way to excuse racists trying to burn down a hotel full of people.

 

I think you're wrong and the answer is World War 3 unfortunately. People come here because it's their Mecca, Wonkers Golden Ticket etc.

That's a compliment to the people of the UK for being so tolerant.

Tacking the problem at source but that won't happen.

We can all be powerless ideologists.

 

No they don't. That's objectively ********. The overwhelming majority come here either because they know people here or speak the language.

 

They know people, and share a language in the place where they come from.

So they can't come here simply because of those two things.

 

No asylum seeker is illegal. Happy to help. They have their asylum considered. It is either agreed or they are expelled.

 

OK, given that they decided to seek asylum the reason that they chose the UK.

 

If you have a genuine interest this is informative https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/understanding-channel-crossings/


80% of all asylum seekers go to the nearest safe country others don’t for various reasons.

 

Jesus, why does this site allow such right wing propaganda over and over and over again. It's disgusting. And the chicken shiit sycophants who like these posts every time and then pretend they're bullied... goodness me.

 

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These threads always polarise to the extremes and you either fall into category A - Racist, right wing or category B - Woke, Lefties. Why is that? I haven’t read the article but I believe there is some middle ground to consider here. I don’t subscribe to violence, one view fits all, racism or abuse. I can’t understand how the minds of people setting fire to a hotel work. I can fully understand the frustration of communities many of which have sensible, law abiding, good people who are fed up of the issues they see in front of them. The issue for me isn’t immigration as diversity can be positive and help nations develop. But the issue is when mass immigration is out of control. People are frustrated because there was a majority of the nation who wanted better control ie Brexit and now it’s worse. Let’s take Altrincham where 300 men, asylum seekers were housed in a hotel that turfed out bookings. They were given mobile phones and free private medical insurance to avoid burden on the NHS. A few miles up the road at the same time a homeless man died on the streets. So what is the issues? Is society in the wrong? Governments handling of it? Are we surprised the tensions rightly or wrongly are growing. People don’t soften decouple the issues they see in their local communities even if they aren’t related. They question if we truly are in control of our own society and communities? That worry doesn’t make someone a racist, nor does to fob it off make someone woke.

 

It's only 2 generations ago Hitler changed a nation similar to ours. Who would have thought that could have happened.