Martin Atkinson

Is the referee against Chelsea, Sian Massey-Ellis is 1 of the assistant’s

https://the-fa.com/9l3oGy

 

I notice we are one of the games VAR isn't mentioned.

 

It's because of the absolutely bonkers rule that says a championship ground isn't licenced to use var in the fifth round of the fa cup but the same ground is licenced to use it in the 6th round

 

To make it fair every ground should have VAR or no ground should have VAR.

 

Would you want VAR after yet another f&ck up last night?

 

I'm curious, what's fair or unfair about teams in separate fixtures using VAR or not? It's not like in the same match one team uses it and the other doesn't. Inconsistent, yes. Unfair, how?

Edited in:
For the record I'm fairly neutral on VAR, I don't think it's killing the game, but I don't think it's being used to it's best potential. If it stayed I'd not lose sleep nor if it was scrapped.

 

Let’s be real here, last night wasn’t the fault of VAR it was 100% Mike Dean.

 

If some matches get VAR help they all should. Anyway we cannot have a thread about Martin Atkinson reffing us without this. Part 2 Thursday?

 

i don't get the logic? why should they all get it?

 

It seems obvious to me that VAR could rule out a goal in one match and that side lose because of it, and in a non VAR game, the human eye of the ref allows a marginal offside goal to stand. It could be that your opponent in the next round is Corby, when it should have been Man United.

 

And that's the problem. VAR is brilliant, it does exactly what it's supposed to. But that's just the technology. The people running it are idiots and the way it's being run is idiotic.

The big change that needs to happen is to either get rid of the other referee in VAR and just have video operators paid to find the relevant footage and play it to the pitch side monitor where the actual ref will view it and make a decision. Or change it so the ref in the VAR room makes the decision and the on field ref has no say in it once it's gone to VAR.

What we have currently is some tw@t in a room chirping I the refs ear and telling him he's wrong. Everyone at home knows he's telling him it's wrong, it's recorded and can be proven that he's telling him it's wrong. He goes to check the monitor, he still thinks he's right but he's got Lee mason In his ear saying no you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. He's now under incredible pressure to go with what mason says and so he buckles.

Simple changes to be made.
1. Use sensors for offside (I called it GPS to simplify what I meant)
2. Use the tennis challenge system where the captain of the team can request a set amount of reviews per game.
3. Impose a maximum time to make a decision.
4. Use a one way mic where the ref can speak to clvar to request a clip or angle but car cannot speak back to influence him. The ref uses the monitor each time and makes his own decision.

It isn't hard. Using just those 4 improvements would make such massive difference to VAR

 

I’m in full agreement with all blame is at the door of Mike Dean. He should either through social media or a televised interview explain why he has given that decision. Because I think everyone aside him is in agreement that’s not a red card.

But, maybe VAR did influence his decision. We all know that any incident looks worse in slow motion. When a referee goes to the monitor he should look at incidents again from numerous angles to make his decision however, in my opinion every replay should be in real time. They shouldn’t be showing refs a slow motion version of the event.

 

But that's true of any refereeing mistake.

 

I don’t think point 2 will improve the game, I see this mentioned all the time. For me you’ll have managers using it at times to swing momentum or waste time. In my opinion that point will ruin the game further and become a tactic rather than what it’s intended for.

 

Not sure if you watch them, but generally both rugby codes get VAR right. Everyone sees and hears the whole process and it's about getting it right not supporting an on field official. Once it's accepted that refs make mistakes as they're human, so it's ok, and here's an opportunity to fix those mistakes things would be better.

I think the dialogue between thd remote and on field official is important, but should be open.

 

But it still doesn’t hold, referees make decisions all the time in different games? VAR isn’t the fix for a non existent problem

 

IMO it’s not Var to blame but the referees viewing it.
Watched Quest this morning and the West Ham game.
I think it was Mike Dean who took an age to arrive at the wrong decision and send the West Ham player off. Everyone in the studio in agreement after watching the same replays that no real offence was committed apart from the amateur dramatics by the Fulham player.

 

Not quite though. On the one hand the decision is over ruled and in the other it isn’t. It’s like all premiership matches have VAR, and no Championship matches do, is fair,,,,, different competitions. But if only some games in both leagues were covered by VAR it would clearly be unfair.

 

Great post. I'd add that with us now having such precision technology, the definition of offside needs to be tweaked slightly to stop goals from being ruled out for fingernails being in front of the defender and the like.

 

Without patronising, I think you're mixing up unfair with inconsistent. Nobody is at an advantage by playing with or without VAR.