Maybe I'm not a proper supporter

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  1. Dys

    Dyson Well-Known Member

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    But I'm not particularly upset or disappointed today. I was on Saturday but today felt a bit surreal. No real passion or anything to it. Not saying the players didn't show that but more I didn't feel it.

    I understand people's frustrations. I understand people looking for someone to blame. What I don't understand is where people choose to lay that blame because 90% of people are looking at the wrong man.

    Danny's the right man for us.
     
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    I was the same listening to the commentary, it was a matter of when not if they'd score and I didn't even react when they did. I expected nothing and we got nothing. Saturday hurt though, I expected a win, we needed a win and we didn't even set up to go for the win. I guess that's why folk are putting the blame on Danny, Saturday was our last chance and we didn't take it.

    He's definitely the man for us in league 1 though, with time to build his own squad around youngsters, not loanees. I'm kind of looking forward to next season, we should be more competitive and might actually be able to celebrate a decent run of back to back wins for once! I'm not expecting us to win every game and walk away with an automatic spot, if we push for a playoff place then I'll be happy.

    E I E I E I O!
     
  3. Marc

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    Tbf, you don't know this. So far his signings have been ineffective to terrible, and he's had no real impact on the performances. I'm not saying he won't turn our fortunes round next season, but so far there's not a great deal to convince me he will. I guess we wait and see, but as it stands his appointment has failed. IMO
     
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    I agree with this...
    And I agree with this.
     
  5. Dys

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    And this is the problem.

    So despite winning more games with 70% the same players, despite him having to try and freshen up a squad by selling first, despite him only having free transfers and 3 loan spots to work with, despite him having to work with the previous managers staff, you expected him to keep us up.

    Ridiculous.
     
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    Why is it ridiculous? Danny Wilson, the squad, the mgmt team and the board of directors ALL expected us to stay up. Why shouldn't the fans have expected the same?
     
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    He's had no impact on the performances?

    Since Wilson came in I've witnessed a tighter unit, a team not being steam rolled week in week out, improving week on week, and winning games away from home. We've had the emergence of Jennings, M'Voto, Kennedy, Ramage, Dawson, Etuhu ....... all players who were on the scrap heap when Danny came in.

    I'm surprised we've managed to take it to the second to last game of the season if I'm honest. His signings were never going to all work out when you're forced to rush in to the transfer market, which is what happened. We had to ship in and ship out all far too quickly to even give ourselves a chance of saving the season, and that's not how you set yourself up for success.

    Unfortunately, the position Flicker left us in meant this was unavoidable. I'd look at the performances of the players Danny didn't sign for the reasons why he should be here next season, why he'll be a success, and why he isn't to take a high proportion of the blame for this season.
     
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    Did they 'expect' us to stay up or did they believe they could do it and tried to make it happen? Believing something is possible and expecting something to happen are two entirely different things. I believed we could do it. I'm disappointed that we haven't, but at no time did I expect it to happen. From the position we were in, it seems barmy to me to expect us to stay up. Apologies if that's offensive, but it really does sound mad.
     
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    I really hope that isn't aimed at me. If it is, you're out of line and need to wind your neck in.
     
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    I don't have to wind anything in. If you expected us to stay up then I think you're an idiot.
     
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    What is ridiculous is that we've been abject for most of the season yet we can still stay up. If we'd been a little bit braver against Leeds we probably would have stayed up.
     
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    If we'd not won 3 games out of 20 from August to December we probably would have.
     
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    Yes I agree what the damage was done by Flitcroft but its a bitter pill to swallow when Danny has had us on the brink of survival and the players / tactics / luck, etc have let us down.
     
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    I prefer to look at it like Danny has helped to get us to the brink of staying up by beating our main rivals all around us. I'm disappointed mate, course I am, I was gutted Saturday but like our say - our problems can't be fixed in 5 months.
     
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    Do you think calling me an idiot is a reasonable response to my comments?
     
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    So you expected us to stay up?
     
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    Dyson you've got to understand it's boring. Horrible to watch and people are getting fed up. I heard a few boo's yesterday from Barnsley fans.

    I'm used to watching different types of football and some of the stuff I watch isn't great but it's all better than Wilsons magic. Going to watch u16 football when theres 50 people there. Not great but 100 times better than watching Wilsons football.

    Also I'm getting bored watching his football yet the day before I went to Headinley and watched cricket for 8 hours and wasn't bored once even though they went off for rain twice and scored 57/58 in two hours? I went to watch Frickley vs Doncaster in Pre season, bad stuff but still not that bad compared to the stuff I'm paying out a lot of money to watch.

    Also HE danny wilson keeps getting it wrong. McCourt for example, HE can't play in the middle yet for the 5th? time he plays him there and then does nothing. Against Leicester he layed McCourt ACM and Mellis out wide right, thats just madness. I said to my friend yesterday before the game that McCourt wouldn't do anything in the centre and he agreed. How come people in the stand can see this but he can't?

    His win percentages 24% Dyson.

    Also not sure why ou think he'll be any better in league one because if you look on the internet he was the same at Sheffield united and Swindon and he will not have the best striker in the league this time or the best budget by a country mile.
     
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    Phil, leave it mate. The fact that you can't (well you can, you just refuse to) take context into account leaves your posts pointless.

    Do you really believe he wants to play 1 up front? Do you really believe he wants to lump it forward? No. He doesn't. His first game after January had Frimpong & Mellis central, pace out wide and two up front. Unfortunately, through injuries, lack of form/fitness and other things that style didn't work. He's then made us hard to beat and given us a fighting chance of staying up. That's managing a situation. Once he has the opportunity to bring in his own players (and not trying to change things in the space of 4 weeks in Jan) then we'll see what he's about.
     
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    And had a preseason. Which someone has used as a defence of other "failed" managers before.
     

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