Migrants aren't hurting us then?

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    Nope I guess UKIP will come out and apologise for all the negativity now...
     
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    an article you will see on page 23 (in small print) of the Daily Mail
     
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    Thanks for posting that image. I briefly saw it on Twitter but wanted to share it later and lost the link.
     
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    Interestingly (or not) I produced sone of the research for the UCL report and tried to speak to some folks at Migrant Watch in the initial stages but they didn't want to know.
     
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    Folk working to their own agendas ? Gerraway.

    On a wider note, if we think of migration in mere terms of £'s then what does that say about humans ?
     
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    I was but a hired hand but I think they kept the remit quite narrow to look whether some of the claims made by the press and the Neo Thatcherite parties were accurate or not. I know that there is a sister report trying to look at the human cost/benefits of migration in development but it's more difficult to quantify objectively.
     
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    It (migration/immigration) has been stained by Mandelson (?) and his statement about New Labour's attitude to mass immigration - ie done for an idealogical purpose - without ensuring the people at the sharp end (local authorities) had the means and infrastructure to cope with increased demand on services.

    That helps those who would de-humanise immigrants - they become numbers, and are then looked on as one entity. Doesn't matter who they are, what their story is - they are all the same.

    Politicians playing with people's lives.
     
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    Only a moron would think that on ballance the people coming here from the EU are not most likely to be working and hence contributing more money than they take out. And that Moron would be Nigel Farage a man who has spent years swimming in the EU gravy train while decrying its existence.
     
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    I find the whole debate quite sad. There is no doubt at all in my mind that in general migration both ways is a good thing for everyone - I am based in the UK but am doing all my work elsewhere in Europe - the site I am currently working for is in Austria - the team I am working with has a mix of French German Italian Austrian and British engineers
    I recently got an email from the NMI " the industry association for Electronics Systems, Microelectronics and Semiconductors in the UK. " which starts

    "Dear Dave

    I’m getting in touch to let you know that the technical community currently has the opportunity to influence government guidelines on work permits.

    The consistent message to government from many industry bodies (NMI, ESCO, etc) and individual companies has been that skills shortages are inhibiting the success of the UK high tech industry....."

    And goes on about how bad it is for Britain if skills shortages affect how well our technology companies can operate. There is freedom of movement throughout the EU which does mean we can (and do recruit ) from other countries and on a selfish note I can if I choose go and get a job elsewhere in Europe with no problem

    the benefits in Britain are in fact worse than in many other European countries so this idea of hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans coming to Britain just to get benefits is a complete myth

    I dont know what fuels the agenda in the British media about immegration but its very sad and in the long run stopping it would be bad for Britain and a great many British people
     
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    I tend to sit on the side of the fence where humans are humans and judged on their acts rather than their place of birth, religion, skin colour or sexual preference. But yep, tha reight, papers have their own agendas. I just happened to stumble across this particular article. If it had been a Daily Mail article I'm sure the tone/message would have been very different. Ie - ******* ridiculous. :)
     
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    Why do we need to rely on those with vested interest to 'interpret' a factuall research paper?
     
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    Amen.
     
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    Can't say I give that much of a fack about the topic to go searching for the original report, but I have read the guardian independent mail and mirror today and all 4 reported it differently which is what my point was unless you read the report yourself you could be believing ******** for fact
     
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    The facts are the financial stuff. Whatever spin the various factions put on it.
     
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    Just because this set of statistics shows that migrants put more in than take out (as a whole) and this is a good thing, it doesn't addtess the problem of economic immigration. If we could stop those that come here just to milk the benefits system the stats would look even better and would limit the damage that focused demonization does. I have no issue with migrants in general but I do have a major issue with those that come here with nothing to offer, take out more than they put in and commit crime. We have enough indigenous scroats as it is without taking more from other countries.
     

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