Mr Cryne has replied to us, via facebook..

I won't copy and paste his status, but let's just say he's not impressed being called a liar. You monstrous buggers. He reckons the figure was the figure he said it was. Moyes wasn't involved in transfer discussions so wouldn't know. He says he negotiated a 15% sell on clause because he felt that were John to develop into the player we thought he might, Everton were much more likely to get ridiculous money for him that we never could.

All fair enough.


I still stand by my comment in that thread. We've had our pants pulled down far too often during his stewardship. The likes of Posh and Hudders know how to do business, clubs no bigger than us.

Good job we knew how much Stonesy was worth eh....?

 

Agree Loko we could have untold fortunes from John Stones coming in for years to come. Something we could have never commanded

 

More importantly, what songs does he want our fans to sing tomorrow?

 

I don't think anyone actually knew how much he was worth or could have been worth. I don't think anyone knew how good he actually was or would be. Now people like me who watched a lot of him could see he was talented within a group of talented players that I feel sour at wasn't brought through like they should have been.

Keith Hill was massive for him and I wish he could have brought through others in the group.

 

I think you are mixing up Hill and Bobby Hassell !!

 

I seem to remember everyone at oakwell slating stones and saying he had no potential. We were cheering from the stands when he left

 

No it was Keith hill who did all the work. You'll notice that stones has mentioned him loads of times...

 

Mark you can try and get me to bite like you have ever since I posted again. Keith Hill was massive for him, why hes mentioned this in a TV interview. I've NEVER seen him mention him in a press conference. I actually can't think of any player hes mentioned apart from Stephan Foster that he mentioned on the BBC when he also mentioned pre match prep and other things. Keith Hill must have though something of him as he mentioned that was upset that when he left and blamed himself for his sacking.

If you have anything that he mentions him as you say he was so big, give me a link that he mentions him in.

 

Ignore him Hemsworth...Admin take note!!!

 

Agreed. So either we got lucky because we didn't know how good he was, or (and I prefer to believe this story), Mr Cryne knew exactly what he was doing and as he stated tonight, he knew that a sell on clause would get us a lot more in the future than we ever could ourselves in 2013. But you can't pretend he didn't say (in the pub) that he hadn't a clue how good he was. In fact, he wasn't even sure who the lad was. But like I say (and I've said this to him, you know what am like) I think the second story is true. Which means the first was........??

It wasn't.

We agreed to these release clauses. I think they were set ridiculously low. The old "but we'd have never have signed em otherwise" line isn't an excuse. Proper clubs don't put 500k release clauses in at ******* Championship level. It's beyond tinpot.

I'm talking Hammill here. I can't even remember McIndoe much. Oh, and Davies had one too. For 300k. Despite them telling us we weren't putting those clauses in anymore. It's old news. The BBS imploded over all these issues, but I know it's not as much of an issue now because apathy and that.

Ahhh. So we flogged him for 500k because we knew he'd be ****? We're ace at this knowing how lads' careers will pan out lark aren't we? He was worth millions at various stages of his spell here. To lose him to that shithouse club for 500k was bad business. Dress it up though.

We chose to pay him peanuts. We chose his short term deal. We let him go for a pittance. We nearly got relegated. He fired West Ham to the riches of the Prem. I'd call that a mistake myself.

Were these deals during the Cryne era? Ward certainly wasn't.

Says summat when only Scott ******* Flinders is seen as a decent bit of business, after 13 years of this regime. I think you've rested my case for me, pal.




I understand more than most the intricacies of transfer deals etc. I've semi experienced a big transfer for the last three summers. The same lad. But this summer I learnt a big difference in how to get proper coin for your players. Derby offered £1.5m. They ended up paying just under £5m with a further £1.25m should certain things happen during the next four years. I think Dean Hoyle's a right lovely person. But he gets proper money for his players. Look at Jordan Rhodes...

And we've done Peterborough to death on here in the past.



Do we just make excuses for our failings? Or are we allowed to say "hang on, this is **** this"? Because that's all I'm doing. If an offer comes in for Hourihane in January, what you reckoning? 500k? Guarantee that were he at Posh, they'd get a couple of million, minimum. How? Why?

I'd love to know.

 

And there lies the truth. Boom.

 

I really should.

It wasn't like Hill gave him a chance in the first time but more importantly stuck by him when he made a mistake and choose one of the other options.

 

Did Cryne ever see Stones play? Serious question.

 

At youth level he did. First team level not a clue.

 

Huddersfield are into Hoyle for about 60 million, mate. Like Bolton owe Davies. Like Boro owe Gibson. Derby Mel Morris. You just have to hope these custodians don't end up wanting it all back.

I suppose we're fortunate in that Cryne's only put a fraction what they have, into our club. And that's why I've said from day one that he should take all the Stones money himself, to aid his exit strategy. I used to want him to stay on. In fact, I did, right up to his last facebook status saying he wanted out. And that was that for me. If he wants to go, if he feels it's a 'burden' as he says, then I don't want that. I don't want the leader of BFC being 'not in it' like I am, like we are. And, I don't want him to feel it's a burden. I'd like for him to enjoy the club again, as a supporter. Maybe then he'll sign up to the BBS and go direct....

 

Oh dear. Think it may have been my reporting about what Moyes said on Talksport this morning that started that thread. I don't know why PC needs to be exercised by this. If Moyes has got it wrong that's fine. Moyes himself said that it was his 'recruitment team' that got that deal home. It probably doesn't matter to Moyes whether it was 1M or 2M or whatever. But that's what he said.

But if PC now says he negotiated (or demanded) a 15% sell on as insurance, "because he felt that were John to develop into the player we thought he might......etc" then that seems to be at odds with what I recall as the thrust of his reported comments at the Old No 7 meeting. My recollection of what was reported after that meeting (and I wasn't there) was that he wasn't informed of how good JS might be.

If we ballsed up, wouldn't it carry a lot more credit/respect to just say so?

 

I'd be amazed if he hadn't. He has every game streamed live to his house.

 

Cryne on Facebook again.

Might as well do away with all official club channels and communicate by social media!