I was quite affected by some of what Patrick said on Radio Dee Dar. The comment about not wanting his epitaph to be that he had "saved the club but done nothing with it" was particularly sad. Those of us with long enough memories to recall the dark days of the 60's and 70's and then despaired for the club's future when it went into administration, followed by all the rubbish that followed, can only be utterly grateful to the one man who had both the means and the desire to save it. His financial support at the time, and since, has been immense. If he ever reads some of the absolute nonsense spouted in certain quarters then I make no wonder he sounds as though he's just about had enough. One last thought. Although I've been critical of SD at times (particularly this season) is football management the only occupation where people are not allowed to learn from their mistakes?
Most people in any job learn from mistakes But im afraid Simon Davey has not, he has had virtually 3 season, brought in some decent players whom he has not been able to get the best out of due to his stubborness. He is aloof, and has critisced the fans who ppay his wages, thats like me taking my customers for granted, Something you never do in any business
can anyone explain to me why he doesn't bring a chairmen in to run the club or more people on the board to share the load,or does he just want to do everything his self!
I agree with much of what you have said about Patrick Cryne - he has indeed saved the club and we do owe him a massive debt of gratitude. As for Davey being allowed to learn from his mistakes - he has had all season, but his stubborn nature (it would seem) prevents him from even acknowledging that he has been making mistakes, never mind learn from them. I think one of the major problems that Davey has with the fans is the fact that after a game in which we have been poor, made the same old tactical errors, had strikers on the wing, wingers in defence, Davey will come out and call us the better side, doing the right things, unlucky etc etc etc. The last ten games of the season were like groundhog day - except for Swansea, but that was different for all the wrong reasons. Honestly, it's time to let him learn at someone else's expense. A decent manager would have had us midtable. Five good reasons: 1) The goals we have conceded in the last ten minutes 2) The way we 'performed' against Norwich away. 3) Ipswich away. 4) Swansea at home. 5) Crazy tactics in general - JCR as a sweeper, Boggy on the wing, and taking off a striker to put on a winger etc etc etc He can go and learn from his school boy mistakes at someone else's team.
This is not a dig at all mate, but I think i remember some time back you said that you had a source in the club who said that the players didn't like Davey and that word had got around in the game and players from other clubs wouldn't sign for him. I only ask because there does seem to have been a united front behind Davey off late from within the club and a lot of players have recently signed. I'm also conscious the people saying this like Kozluk are after a new contract!! Sorry if it wasn't you fella, but just wondered if there had been some point in the season where things changed behind the scenes
The only thing is though mate that there isn;t a consensus between the fans The people who call Davey stubborn are the people who don't agree with him. I think he has made tactical mistakes often this season (as do lots of managers _ Benitez and squad rotation policies being one!) but often you can come on here and get completely different takes on games. And thats just on here. Walking up Pontefract Rd you here wildy different opinions on how we played, what went well, what didn't
I did post last year about discontent behind the scenes from the players, there are 3 camps in the club, Daveys favourites, the "get on with it group, " and the cannot wait to get away group. As most of the players have been brought in by Davey, some have lost faith in him, and as i said in the past i stand by what i said and would have backing from local media regarding my comments. Most players have played to keep the club up, they are like any employee who want a good CV and thats why they perform. I will guarentee that JCR will be one who does leave should Davey keep his job, and by all means copy and paste this comment
Fair play mate. I don't have a clue what goes on behind the scenes and its interesting to get perspectives from people who do know more. It is interesting that camps do develop. I think interestingly with JCR it always seemed to me that davey has too much faith in him in thinking he can play a role he's not comfortable in.
is football management the only occupation where people are not allowed to learn from their mistakes Bomb disposal technician? In any case Davey has had 2.5 years and is definitely a slow learner regarding handling one goal leads, best postitions for his players and best formation for the team
One thing he said that made me smile was that he missed being like any 'normal' fan who could sound off one day about the club, its manager and players, and then say exactly the opposite the next (of which I'm guilty myself on a frequent basis). I just suspect that he really doesn't want much more hassle and I would personally be pretty concerned about where it would leave us if he decided enough is enough.
to be fair it is easy to criticise, i was at coventry ,he was criticised for not changing it ,though coventry never looked liked scoring,i was listening to a fan after the wolves game who criticed davey for changing it and bringing ando on ,thats what i would have done ,so its a no win sittuation sometimes ,im not sticking up for davey but sometimes its dead easy to sit here and criticise the manager when it goes tits up is it not better the devil you know sometimes
RE: is football management the only occupation where people are not allowed to learn from their mist I've been a manager/director of companies for over 25 years and I still make mistakes (and, hopefully, learn from them). Must say it helps that I don't have several thousand 'better qualified' individuals questioning every decision.
dodeth tyke i have spoke to 2 ex board members 1 from doncaster and 1 from barnsley and they both spoke from the same oppinion that they wished they could be ordinary fans who watched the match then moan,being on the board they had too much information to what was happening with players etc and they could not see the game in the same light as we do
I guess some people enjoy it (probably an ego thing). I remember speaking to John Dennis and Mike Hayselden at a function in the mid-90's and they told me they sometimes despaired at the criticism the club had to endure from the public of Barnsley. At the time the club was attracting crowds of around 6500 and was feeling the effects of having to comply with the Taylor Report. Three years later we were in the Premier League and the whole world were Barnsley fans!
yep then 2 seasons later in admin and those on the board lost a lot of money more than any of us die hards would lose