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I guess with the launch of the Conservative manifesto in Halifax, all those unhappy with the closure of A&E at Huddersfield will be allowed in to ask her directly about it...

 

Why don't you look forwards rather than backwards?

 

'If you never learn tbe lessons of the past you never learn anything' Albert Einstein

Or some bloke on the internet...

 

From what I've heard on the radio it's a bad manifesto
Could be a shock result

 

Let's face it. The Tory Party has made more U-turns in the last 18 months, than a myopic learner driver.

 

Corbyns manifesto. Is far more appealing than the extreme right wing policies on here that most on here voted in​

 

Farmstead?

 

People saying May making U turns. All political figures and parties do the same, policies change all the time.

I read the Labour manifesto yesterday, I must admit, most of it sounded decent but they have factored in zero cost for the re-nationalisation activities hence that must be done through more borrowing so expect the national debt to triple. It will be a massive gamble should Labour actually be elected, we could face the country pretty much being bankrupted. Lib Dems are just not a serious party who just focus on one point all the time which they feel is the current news topic, tragic really.. Tories seem to refuse to say outright that they will not break up the NHS further and raise some extra money by clamping down on tax dodging big corps.

Doesn't leave much to vote for really.

 

Got to say out of the two if I had to vote I would probley vote corbyn. And I never thought I'd say that but watching him on the tonight show and going on the manifesto he would get my vote. Don't agree with the taxing people who earn over 80k more though just seems like a tax on folk who have done well for them selfs. 80k doesn't make you a millionaire. And not sure if the maths adds up but it's the better of the two imo.

 

The only downside in voting. Labour has you end up with that racist cow. Diane abbot

 

[QUOTE="MDG, post: 1968240, member: 864951514099589120

g May making U turns. All political figures and parties do the same, policies change all the time.

I read the Labour manifesto yesterday, I must admit, most of it sounded decent but they have factored in zero cost for the re-nationalisation activities hence that must be done through more borrowing so expect the national debt to triple. It will be a massive gamble should Labour actually be elected, we could face the country pretty much being bankrupted. Lib Dems are just not a serious party who just focus on one point all the time which they feel is the current news topic, tragic really.. Tories seem to refuse to say outright that they will not break up the NHS further and raise some extra money by clamping down on tax dodging big corps.

Doesn't leave much to vote for really.[/QUOTE]

Read some of tbe discussion here where an economic professor teaches the BBC political editor some basic economics. He has advised most govts over the last 20 years.

https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/864433712716541953

Nationalisation is cost neutral.

Cost of immigration pledge as outlined by Obr 6 billion.
https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/864951514099589120

 

The proposal for nationalisstion would be cheap. Rail simply do renew the franchise. Energy just set up your own supplier. Not sure. About dno but he doesn't appear to mention them

 

As opposed to seven years of Tory rule that has increased the national debt from £700bn to £1.7tn (2.4x). Does anyone not already a millionaire have anything to show for that? Even if Labour maths are wrong, are they really going to add £3.4tn to the national debt in five years? - that is the equivalent of giving everyone in the country 10grand a year for the course of their Parliament. Which thinking about it would be a serious vote winner.

 

As already explained by a number of Labour MP's, the re-nationalisation is a capital cost, ie, you borrow to invest and that is repaid by the money generated, its called fiscal multiplication. A sovereign country that prints its own money can't go bankrupt, don't believe all this crap about a countries economy being the same as a household economy, there's no comparison. All the costings done by the Labour party are for every day running costs of each policy. The tories are using their usual scare tactics by saying that bringing the water for example, back into public ownership isn't costed, it doesn't need to be as it's a capital cost, borrowing to invest, all countries do it and is endorsed by economists.
as for the debts increasing don't forget that osbourne borrowed more than every labour government added together.

 

Yeah right.. Tories win Barnsley. outright.who.wuld beli. ve it.

 

We need a strong. Centre party

 

They wouldn't be able to re-nationalise the railways for around 15 years as some existing franchises don't expire until 2032.
National debt is around 85.2% of GDP which has led Saint Theresa to say the deficit might probably take another twenty years to pay off ( Osborne said we would be in surplus by 2017). !! More austerity ( for some) on the way after June election.

Incidentally Tory lead over Labour is now circa 15%.

 

It really is terrible, not just in terms of for the every day person, which we all expected, but it seems to alienate their supporters too. Here's a useful little summary of some of the main points:

http://news.sky.com/story/vote-2017-conservative-manifesto-what-it-says-and-what-it-means-10882937