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  1. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

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    But I believe disenchanted Labour voters will read stuff here that appeals. It did to me anyway. Style over substance? Maybe, but as the thing he's been lacking in is style then it might not be a bad thing. He's talking about issues that I see as relevant rather than pandering to the press who appear to believe the only issue worth discussing is Ukip's agenda on immigration.

    https://medium.com/@Ed_Miliband/heres-what-i-believe-10f7833c0380
     
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    Policy over personality is another tag line I've heard recently.
     
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    The problem is when I read it I can mentally hear his voice saying it, and his face as he says it. I know it shouldn't work like that but he just doesn't convince me as a credible leader of this country. I'll still vote for them over the Tories like, but I think Ed Miliband the person is the only thing preventing Labour from p1ssing the election.
     
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    I reckon a lot of people believe that and there's some truth in it. He seems like a nice bloke, but not a leader. However, at least Labour are now getting some policies. If we believe in those policies we've got to vote for Miliband.

    If you believe in what Cameron is saying, vote for him. I just hope people don't vote for Cameron because they dislike Miliband and leave us stuck with a government that even they didn't want.
     
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    Think the press ridiculing him at every opportunity may back fire on them in the end.
     
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    Jay Well-Known Member

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    I think you're right.
     
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    Ironically, since Blair pushed politics into a popularity contest more about polish and presentation (because he was ridiculously good at it), the same approach did for Brown and it may very well do the same for the wrong Miliband.

    It wouldn't surprise me if voting had become dumbed down due to an ease of tv voting patterns and an x factor generation where people are at ease choosing faces based on a quick sugar fix desire rather than actually considering what may happen because of that choice (let alone over 5 years). And after all, Boris was elected Mayor of the capital for being an idiot on HIGNFY. Well... and a pro Boris Evening Standard campaign that shamelessly smeared Livingstone every night for months.

    The sad fact is we have people doing a presentational job to audition for the leader of the country. They have little skill, little experience and have been groomed in a political bubble away from business, away from commerce and away from having to make real decisions.

    Politics is very broken, and with a right wing media with fear and division as its only mantra, i don't see it repairing itself any time soon.
     
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    That right wing media are creating a bit of an underdog out of Miliband though, and the British public love an underdog.
     
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    When you shop at the supermarket you do not worry who the Chairman is. It is the service they provide.
    Working class and middle class Voters cannot afford for the Tory True blue boys to get back in. As for UKIP their superman tells everyone what they want to hear, behind doors he says what everyone does not want to hear. Clegg is a top class failure and would be better off out of politics, but there again who would employ him. Imagine Farage as Our leader along with his bootboys.
     
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    Define "leader" for us Jay pls.
     
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    "the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country."
     
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    'commands' sounds very much like a dictorship - either right or left wing

    personally i'd like to see some distance between the parties ie get some bloody socialist polies in place Ed - the tories were ever so quick to run a national advertising policy when unemployment reached 1m - 'labour isn't working' well FFS where I am right now - in the SROSY (socialist republic of south yorkshire) the tories/coalition isn't working either!
     
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    He's is a leader then!
     
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    Yup. But you were aware I was speaking about his character and attributes, not his actual position. Personally I like Ed Miliband, but I'm not blind to the fact that a number of people (millions it seems) won't vote for Labour because they don't recognise leadership qualities in him. I don't think I'm being overly harsh by recognising that.
     
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    No your not. I actually agree with you and its unfortunate that today's common view of leadership is charisma. Prefer substance myself.
     

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