OK my last post on this...Hurrah I hear you cry...

So no point trying to get the rise out of me with further insults, stupid arguments etc.

There are a dozen or so remain posters on here- they know who they are - with quite 'committed' socialist and PC ideals. That is fair enough.

However at the same time they still cling to the unshakeable belief that they were right in voting remain and everyone else is thick, racist, etc . and that UK is now doomed. Again, fair enough if that is their view.

What isn't fair enough though they seem to almost relish the idea that Britain is going to fail so they can prove that they were right and everyone else was wrong.

This is causing division, as I have already said, at a time when for better or worse we need to be united. IF we tear ourselves apart the EU leaders will have an easy time in negotiations and we will end up with the worse possible terms. Do we really want that? It seem that some people on here are determined to talk the UK down. I am frankly disappointed after trying to be conciliatory, this petty points scoring is still ongoing and that so many people are taking the vote so personally, as if Brexit voters "had it in for them" specifically.

As I say this is my last post on this topic so don't bother trying to get any further responses from me.

 

I haven't heard a single person on that side 'relish' what has happened today.

 

I feel you are holding yourself in very high regard (fair enough) and coming across as rather condescending. A few times now you have mentioned that you are trying to be 'conciliatory' and 'trying hard to stop people from bad mouthing each other'. I don't think you need to take this burden upon yourself. People are upset and scared now and will talk about it most of today and then will slowly begin to quietly accept it. To say that people are 'relishing the idea of Britain failing' is just daft. Do you think the people posting about their savings being dramatically reduced overnight are sitting there hoping they'll have even less money tomorrow?

 

You won't reply, Tekky, I get that. Fair enough, but I must contradict a couple of things. If you're including me in that second line, that's about right, but I certainly don't want Britain to fail just to score points. I'll be the first to hold my hands up and say I was wrong, if this golden age that Leave have promised us comes to fruition, but I suspect I won't need to. I think it's a terrible mistake, based, in the main, on bogus scaremongering about immigration, and one which will blight the future for the next generation (who, ironically, voted to stay in - go figure). Sure, immigration needs better & tighter controls, but this Leave vote simply will not deliver them. I would stake my house on the fact that had immigration not been such a big part of the Leave campaign's rhetoric, the result of the referendum would have been massively different. Those who voted out on some misguided belief that leaving the EU will close the UK's doors to migrants are going to be bitterly disappointed.

 

We await your next post on the subject with baited breath ( about 30 mins il give it )

as for any idea of wanting Britain to fail or relishing that idea then you are about as far removed from my thinking as is possible. I've already seen at first hand today. 9am to be precise exactly the repercussions of yesterday's vote, if you think anyone takes pleasure in that then that about sums you up as person.

Il bid you good day

 

Earlier today I agreed with you that we now have to try to make this work.
and commented that -
that is going to be so difficult. Whatever the outcome had been, we are now a totally divided nation. Half the country and much of the rest of the world think the rest of the population are stupid at best and or small minded, inward looking bigots. And this is not a healthy state to be in.
You have to accept the fact that this is what many people think about you and fellow Brexit voters. You could help heal the wounds by trying to prove them wrong and demonstrate some understanding for how they feel. It is how democracy works, you accept the will of the majority (however small) but they in turn must be gracious in victory.
I personally think most Brexiters were well meaning, just misguided, but having read much of the literature a minority are definitely very dangerous people and at least one of them committed murder during this campaign. We all need to unite and be watchful of such developments.
Both sides are going to have to move on and try and make it work.
But if it turns out that they were right and not you and it is as damaging as we fear, then I hope you will have the good grace to apologies.

 

I'm relishing it that much that I'm currently reviewing my retirement options. Looks like I'll be working a bit longer than I had hoped.

 

To be fair to Tekkytyke if you read yesterdays posts when it appeared like a Remain win , he was very conciliatory and accepting of the fact that we're in it together and it was over and done with and we must respect it.
However this morning that spirit hasn't really been reciprocated...although I have to say most of the ones who've had a lot to say are not the ones who've taken a constructive reasoned part in the debate .

 

There are undoubtedly some people who think a Brexit is going to mean a locked door to migrants, but unfortunately, there will always be people either on the political extremes or are simply too thick to understand the world. You can't educate a block of wood. However, I personally have not, ever, found anyone to hold that view. Maybe I am just lucky. I would like to believe though that the majority of people are capable of understanding why the country will always need a level of immigration, and are capable of being accepting of that fact, and indeed welcoming of that fact. However, for immigration to go back to being a non issue, there has to a general consensus that there is a level of control over the process and the numbers involved, and that we as a population are capable of influencing whatever the current government policy is as to where to set the bar, through the democratic process. To just say that immigration at whatever level is to be welcomed and that anyone who voices dissent is xenophobic and racist doesn't cut it any more. Jeremy Corbyn basically admitted on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday that there is no limit considered unacceptable and we have no control. The political class have brought us to this position and listening to the commentary today, it is clear that for lots of people, there is still no real understanding of that.

It is done now. It is what I voted for, but I am very apprehensive about the short to mid term. The biggest concern is how do we heal the wounds and move forward together. It is going to take time and effort. We now need a step change in the way politics is done in this country.

 

Very much in agreement with you on the sentiments above. For what its worth, to whatever extent it would be measurable that it has been a failure, I would be accepting of the fact and willing to apologise as I don't know that it will work or not, I just have lots of optimism, but lots of trepidation, about what the future holds. The key is pulling people together now. It needs a strong but compassionate leader now to give us that chance.

 

They don't have a plan, nor a leader. Great preparation.