One for all the moaners

Instead of reacting, and basically whinging about anybody that gets mentioned as a possible candidate for the job, effectively starting early with the old "I always said he was rubbish" in preparation for the next round of "I told you so's" once the next manager reaches the end of his reign, can we have some constructive comments from you?

Can you please identify who you would be happy with, whilst being realistic about who would want to come to the club (for reasons of geography, salary, potential money for new signings, league position of club, support of fans, etc). I would say that this would rule out the likes of Coppell and Curbishley and even the likes of O'Driscoll, who would be loathed to leave a club on the up for one where expectations are higher and the fan base noticeably more demanding.

When you have identified him, can you give your reasons why, including how he will get more out of the squad than Davey or the other candidates that you are so vehemently oppose and what the credentials are that so attract you.

Please choose more than one person if you have a few that you think would be decent. But can you keep it constructive and argue in favour of the person you are promoting, rather than simply knocking the other potential managers (even though knocking probably comes easier to you).

This isn't so that people can drag the thread up when your choice gets us relegated, or anything like that, it's just an attempt to get you thinking positively, rather than just reacting and knocking, because it is becoming very tedious. It is fantastically easy to sit back and react. This is why the opposition party (once they have got over the initial shock of being deposed from power) find it easier on Question Time than the cabinet minister. But ask them for realistic alternatives and you soon see them come unstuck. As we will no doubt witness after a few months of Prime Minister Cameron.

But prove me wrong. Prove to me that you do have your own constructive thoughts and can put together some sound reasoning. Remember to keep it realistic though, which is a mistake that some of you make. Then hey, if we do get a manager of a much higher calibre than we were expecting we'll all be happy.

But above all, please please please refrain from the negative comments as soon as someone gets the role. You probably think this shows that you care deeply about the club and are knowledgeable enough about the game to know better than the powers that be and anyone who dare support the club/manager, but in actual fact it just makes you a miserable old bore who wants nothing more in life but to be able to say "I told you so".

 

Already have done

Paul Jewell would be my ideal choice. I could then name another 20+ candidates all of which have either a track record of achievement in the Championship or the kind of profile needed to attract players to do so, or both. Sacking Davey, a guy who was building up his experience in the Championship and had kept us there for 3 seasons, and replacing him with a League 2 manager (and a guy who has spent the last 5 years and more at League 1 or 2) who has no experience whatsoever of what Championship football is and what it entails, and as such has no real profile, is just either stupid or incredibly self indulgent.

 

Let's hear who these 20-odd managers are then.. nt

 

Not difficult, look down the list on SkyBet

and ignore the ones who have done f./ck all.

I'd have Ritchie back before Robins. Honest.

 

RE: Already have done

Mark Robins "who has no experience whatsoever of what Championship football is or what it entails"

Played for Reading and Rotherham in the Championship if Soccerbase is to be believed.

 

Eh?

he played for Reading in 1997. If only the clock has stopped ticking in '97.

He last played in the Championship (or League 1 as it was known) christ knows when. Hardly relevant.

 

RE: Eh?

Does only what you experience in the last five year count in life then.

 

Well put Mill Hill Red

[Its easy to say Hes not the man for the job, But please give a realistic choice as who is the MAN for the job. Paul jewell did well with Bradford city, and too a point with Wigan. But with Derby he was dire. Mark Robins is young, Ambitious, and if he is the man Cryne wants and is a success at oakwell then thats great for the club surely. Aidey Boothroyd would have been a good choice but now hes gone to colchester.

 

In football

not really. The Championship is very much Premiership 2 these days, 7 years ago the pace, attitides, commercial environment and staging was significantly different. That said, there are some managers who were successful then and still are.

 

RE: In football

So do we narrow the managerial search down to those who have experienced or are still experiencing the Premiership/Championship in the last 5 years.?

 

YES!!!

thats exactly what we should be doing.

Ritchie
Davey
Robins

Pattern?

 

RE: YES!!!

Well - if Jewell is your choice and thats your criteria then your mad.

Derby - better players, more money spent. 18th when he resigned before being sacked. He looked like he'd given up a long time before leaving.

Jewell failed install confidence in a bunch of players not get the resuts they should have. I'd suggest thats the first thing required down at Oakwell.

 

Agree. nt

 

Derby - poisoned chalice

would you say Phil Brown is a failure as well then? We need a manager who can inspire, yes, and one who can attract the kind of players that we aspire to. Not so long ago Paul Jewell was on the list to be interviewed for the England job. Has he suddenly become a bad manager? No.

We are the highest place club in the football league with a managerial vacancy and some real quality, proven managers out of work looking for clubs. And we're talking to Mark Robins.

That, folks, is where we're at.

 

RE: YES!!!

I too would have liked a box office signing, however, if the finances aren`t going to be put at risk on a high profile man then I will leave it with PC and back the man he chooses.

No guarantees in football I`m afraid.

 

RE: Derby - poisoned chalice

Lets go and speak to Peter Taylor then - he was England manager not so long since.

Your banging on about Jewell, when personally I dont think he's up to whats required, or really has the drive to do it. Jewell has managed 4 clubs, got sacked from one and had to resign before being sacked from the other. As glittering as his Wigan and Bradford record is, he still has as many failures.

Have you forgotten that who ever comes in can not buy players - so Jewells ability to attract quality is meaningless until the new year. Do we have the money for the quality your talking about?

I do think Mark Robbins is a risk as well - but he was for Rotherham when they employed him. He's since took a 3rd fav relagation team with minus points to mid table (and would have gone up automatically if they started on zero) and currently has them in 2nd place minus last seasons top scorer.

BTW - just so you dont think Im sold on Robbins my choice would be Dowie.

 

When Davey took over he replaced a popular manager

and he never really won some people over. I just see this appointment as massive mistake, so no apologies for sounding negative Im afraid, thats how it is.

Of all the candidates out there, we're talking to Mark Robins. After promoting 2 youth team coaches, we now push the boundries out to Rotherham. Is there some kind of geographical zone out of which 'the club' cannot reach?

On the subject of lower league managers, I'd take Paul Ince or Peter Taylor over Robins, btw, at least they've had teams promoted and have some standing as such that we might benefit from.

Mark Robins. Box Office. Stronger Together. My God.

 

DOWIE !!!!!! ****,GOD NO !!!!!!!!!!!

ask my brother-in-law a Palace season ticket holder and his mate a Charlton season ticket holder about Dowie... divisive, mardy... media myth who lost it after his very impressive first year at Palace. NO THANKS !!!

 

Your criterior for not wanting Jewell

surely means Dowie is a no, doesnt it?

I'd take Peter Taylor cos he's proven himself, several promotions under his belt and a track record of developing young talent, which would count for something when talking to Prem managers to ask for youngsters on loan.

Rotherhams manager. Not Doncasters. Not Scnuthorpes. Not even Huddersfields. We're talking to Rotherhams manager. The pillocking (which has already started btw) from Blunts and Owls will be well deserved.

 

RE: When Davey took over he replaced a popular manager

From youth team coaches to League Two manager thats got to be progress aint it. Limited progress maybe but then some were happy with that under Davey.